A plan to make fuel with Algae

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Paul Woods, Chief executive of Algenol Biofuels, discusses his start-up's plan to scale up to 1 billion gallons of ethanol production a year by using algae to make fuel.

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I Give It Fifteen Minutes

Before someone starts touting the greatness of hemp and how it's useable "NOW" while algae is a "futuristic maybe." Nevermind the real facts on hemp, it's gonna save the world! :)

I believe that algae is a big part of our future fuel requirements. Mainly because we can't create plastics without some kind of oil and, hate to break it to you hemp lovers, hemp oil is NOT useable in this fashion. It's too thin and contains sugars. Unlike algae, which can (and is) producing oils that can be used as lubricants and bases for plastics manufacturing.

It's just a matter of scale and it's only a matter of time before it's being done on a large scale.

--Aaron
The Militant Libertarian
http://www.MilitantLibertarian.org

MilitantLibertarian Posted by MilitantLibertarian on Wed, 09/24/2008 - 10:24pm
Build algae based straw-men lately??

Look, it seems to me that this story is talking about algae as a source for fuel. Hemp can also be a source of fuel. Unlike the oil companies, people who want to see more use of hemp as a fuel, don't mind other environmentally sound alternatives when it comes to making plastics, etc...

And i guess im confused about this statement you make: "I believe that algae is a big part of our future fuel requirements. Mainly because we can't create plastics without some kind of oil and, hate to break it to you hemp lovers, hemp oil is NOT useable in this fashion." So are you suggesting that hemp is not or could not be a big source for future fuel requirements because it doesn't make plastics? Are people using plastic for fuel?

Why not use hemp for fuel and something else, like algae, for plastics if hemp is not that good at that? Or both hemp and algae for fuel and only algae for plastics. And btw, i was playing with a plastic hemp frisbee (50% hemp) this summer. Somebody did it. Also there is an australian company making hemp plastics as well with a combination of i believe corn-based ethanol to get the makeup right to get decent plastic. Maybe algae is better. But for many people, maybe hemp is easier to grow and harvest than algae??

Plus, and I think you have to admit, that the hemp plant is touted not because its the greatest plastic maker ever, but that it has millions of alternative uses - such as paper, food, clothes, etc.... I havent tried an algae burger or worn an algae shirt yet. But i have done both with hemp. :)

Did i get this comment in under the 15 minutes?

windycityatty Posted by windycityatty on Thu, 09/25/2008 - 11:15am
Hemp As Fuel (Not)

Look closely into hemp as a real fuel. It can be used as a bio-fuel in diesel engines with little modification, but like most vegetable-based biofuels, it requires something else to keep it from gelling. It CANNOT be used to fuel gasoline engines except as an ethanol-style ADDITIVE.

Do some research. Hemp is great for many things, I'm not arguing that. I'm just telling you hemp-a-holics that it's not the wonder plant that will save the world from all of its problems. It will make great ropes, awesome food additives, and more, but it WILL NOT MAKE GASOLINE.

Since the vast majority of our vehicles run on gasoline, hemp is not an alternative to powering them. Unless you want some kind of government-sponsored DHTV-box-style "coupon" or incentive to come into play to convert all these vehicles to "hemp" power. Ya, that's likely and won't break any budgets...

I also stated that crude oil is broken into parts to make things. ****80% OF CRUDE OIL IS USED TO MAKE PLASTICS AND HEAVY LUBRICANS**** You can't replace those plastics with hemp with the exception of a very few, lighter-use ones and you definitely can't use hemp oil to make tar or heavy greases of any use.

Since we're talking about fuel and oil replacements, I'll ignore your food commentary. I would suggest that you look closer, though, at the ingredients for many of your foods. You'll see that algae (usually in the form of mushrooms) is in a lot of foods, especially vegetarian alternatives.

--Aaron
The Militant Libertarian
http://www.MilitantLibertarian.org

MilitantLibertarian Posted by MilitantLibertarian on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 12:49am
Looks like you were wrong about 15 minutes...

I hope that your comment wasn't directed at me in the first place.... but anyway....

The truth of the matter is, I think both are great- and I'm not going to say that one is better than the other, because they both have unique traits and are both better than what we have now. I'm not going to create a competition between 2 beautiful alternatives. Hemp can be used for plastics, and already has. Algae has MANY wonderful characteristics, but algae can ALSO be freely studied- while hemp is illegal because of stupid special interests (that's one reason why I advocate and talk about it often). Also, like I pointed out before, there are still many studies being done on algae and they have had some set-backs, but that doesn't mean they won't overcome them.

Anyway-- ditto on everything Windy put up, of course. Well said.

-Miss Green
"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it."

Miss Green Posted by Miss Green on Thu, 09/25/2008 - 11:25am
Hemp...Again

I have never said hemp is NOT useful, but it's not useful for every damn thing under the sun either. I say the same sorts of things (on different subjects) to people who believe: that Ron Paul will save us all, that the Civil War was fought over slavery, that electric cars will save us, that global warming is all that Al Gore says it is, that we have to vote for McCain or the LIBERALS will win, that .... you get the idea.

If hemp can be used to make viable fuels, hard plastics, etc., then go to town with it. I also think that, since we're the only nation outlawing it, it would seem that OTHER first world countries would be utilizing it and experimenting with it to do these things.

I've known a research scientist who, until his retirement a couple of years ago, was experimenting with marijuana on government grants to do things like: coat aspirin and other drugs for ulcer patients, create capsules and liquid ingestibles for eating disorders and related cases (cancer patients) to restore appetite and reduce pain, and several other pharmaceutical uses. He loved his work, but also knew that it was being largely ignored because he was not allowed to publish anything on it.

I also know that, given our fuel and petroleum-based needs, one solution is not likely to be able to replace all or even most of it and multiple solutions will be better suited to the task as well as to creating market forces towards self-regulation.

My entire point in making that post was to make it clear that algae is a great solution and, in many respects, better than hemp for this one particular purpose (and a couple of related ones). I also wanted to make sure that the hemp-a-holics got angry enough to post something in response so that they and others would see that creating a religion out of something (in this case hemp or algae) potentially blinds you to reality.

--Aaron
The Militant Libertarian
http://www.MilitantLibertarian.org

MilitantLibertarian Posted by MilitantLibertarian on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:09am
LOL...

LOL @ hemp-a-holics.....

Making a religion out of it? Potentially blinding you to reality? Where did you come up with this stuff?

Seems to me YOU are the one with the obsession with algae! LOL

-Miss Green
"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it."

Miss Green Posted by Miss Green on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:18am
The Religion of Hemp

I chose this one merely because it was there. Algae has a better chance of getting somewhere than most of the other alternatives that aren't corn-based and government subsidized.

At any rate, I've seen how people get when they begin to totally believe in something and begin to blind themselves to any alternative. Look at the current push to "write in" Ron Paul. He has religious followers just as Buddha, Christ, and Gaia do.

I come from a family full of Mormons, who are a religious group who have completely mastered the art of sticking their heads in the sand. I attended a couple of meetings for an atheist group a couple of years ago and have to say that THOSE people know how to make a religion out of not being a religion.

So I make it my religion to point out how thoughtless and mind-numbing religious followers of all stripes are. :)

--Aaron
The Militant Libertarian
http://www.MilitantLibertarian.org

MilitantLibertarian Posted by MilitantLibertarian on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 1:41pm
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