Obama is not a naturalized citizen of the United States of America.

Political correctness gone too far!

Laurie

Being a long-time libertarian, in principle I am for open borders in the true spirit of liberty. That's in a nice ideal world where there's no welfare state and no jus soli birth right citizenship. Ron Paul said it best - we wouldn't have to worry about border control if we remove the primary incentive for a lot of these illegals to come over - heck they can basically squat here and have a kid who is automatically a citizen and uses social services that my tax dollars pay for.

Here in DC, there are a shocking amount of apparent illegals coming in that camp in unattended cul-de-sacs where construction bosses can come by and pick up cheap labor, which of course takes jobs away from citizens. They don't even bother to learn english or assimilate culturally. It's rude and repulsive, and they act like they're entitled to it or something.

And then there's the legal ones - how would you feel if you had spent a decade or more going through the byzantine INS naturalization process, doing everything the right way and then you see these illegals getting the same benefits basically without going through that process? Boy I would be steamed! The legal ones, the law-abiding types that have something to contribute to the country that we don't already have natively, are the ones we want!

The whole situation disgusts me. In a way I'm glad we're going to have a severe depression so hopefully those remittance-sending scumdogs will go back to their country, the country represented by the flag on their car which is NOT the stars and stripes. Any other country, it would be offensive - when in Rome, do as the Romans do.

disclosure: I am a US citizen from a military family, I'm an ACLU member as well as an NRA member. I generally don't agree with the ACLU's position on immigration rights and gun laws, but I give them money anyway since they fight the good fight on most other constitutional and civil liberties issues.

As a recently retired U.S. Border Patrol Agent, I'm sure my opinion on illegal immration will not surprise anybody.
Now most members of this site already are grinding their teeth because we all know the Border Patrol is no friend of the ACLU, including myself. All the big time liberals are screaming for open borders and posting video's of them disrespecting agents while they try and perform their duties at checkpoints.

Well, lets pretend there wasn't anybody on the border. Open borders and people are crossing the border by the hundreds of thousands every month. While I was an agent, I'll give you some basic stats. If 100 people are apprehended a night, at least 5 to 10 of them are going to be discovered as prior agg felons. At my station in Az, there were times we would apprehend 700 to 1000 people a night. So at minimum, there were 50 people that were not going to come in the country and continue their lives in crime against hard working American citizens that night.
That is one station, one night. There are 21 sectors in the USA. Each sector has anywhere from 3 to 8 stations. Take the numbers of each station and everynight, the Border Patrol is stopping at least 200 to 400 felons in their tracks.
This one reason alone would make any red blooded American happy we are on the border protecting its citizens from harm from an invading force. But I know there will be somebody out there that is ready to argue against us, even on this one point alone. I know the stats are out there on how many illegals are in our prison system, the numbers are over 300,00 easily. We're talking murderers, rapist, drunk drivers killing our citizens, burglars, gang bangers, etc, etc.
As an agent, I was attacked many times, I was surrounded by 3 men trying to take my head off with wooden clubs. I had at least 15 windows in my truck smashed out by rock throwers, sure more than one of you out there are sorry their aim wasn't good enough to accomplish their goal. I broke fingers in fights and I could go on and on. And I haven't even touched on how many thousands of pounds of drugs I seized.
I really don't care who writes back in favor of letting illegals come in despite their records of violence against agents and innocent American citizens. As far as I'm concerned, they could double my taxes if that is what it takes to stop the invasion and build twice as many prisons. And this my friends is why and how I feel about illegal immgration.

You should do the numbers to both sides, if only this has been an interesting topic I've thought about many times.

What I mean is, what is the other side of the figures? How much would it cost to fight the borders and create ANOTHER (specialized) task force that fails to do anything (much like the war on crime, war on drugs, and war on terror). How much money will go and/or come to/from special interest groups and lobbyists? How much money will slip between the cracks and go to some other interest (much like Homeland Security).

I imagine if you total all of those up, the amount becomes about the same to prevent/turn a shoulder illegal immigration.

Our past is littered with illegal immigration and it will continue. Just depends on how you want to deal with it. I for one, am still on the fences about this.

Also, if you do come up with a total for the above stated, shoot me a line. I'd be interested to see what that number would be close to. To get a good idea on how much a border protection would cost, we can look to the aforementioned programs (war on drugs, war on crime, war on terror, homeland security).

Good reading material though. Thank you.

WONDER WHY YOU DON'T HEAR MUCH ABOUT THIS IN THE DEBATES.
NONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THE DEBATES (TV NETWORKS), WHO
ASK THE QUESTIONS WILL ALLOW THIS TYPE INFORMATION TO GET
OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS GO HIDE WHEN THESE
QUESTIONS ARE ASKED, WHY??
WHAT COSTS MORE PER YEAR THAN THE IRAQ WAR?

Answer: Illegal Aliens Cause Massive Cuts For US Seniors

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until They
are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have
included the URL's for verification of the following facts:

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as
food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/f\iscalexec.html http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/f/iscal exec.HTML>

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
Education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRA! NSCRIPT S/0604/01/ldt0.HTML

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born
children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare And
Social Services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
By the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts! CNN.co m/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's
Two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
Their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .
Http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01HTML

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
That crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
From Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
Heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border

Homeland Security Report.
Http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of
Mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
Cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually! Over a five year period.'
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
Their countries of origin.
Http:/ /www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes
Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States '.
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

Total cost is a whooping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!
If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message, but on the
Other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, then forward it.
Snopes is provided for doubters:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/bankofamerica.asp