What do you people think about this aspect of the State propaganda matrix?

The US military sponsoring movies that lend a positive spin to the US military and the Iraq war.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-armyfilms7-2008jul0...

This is just a small example of the US military's psychological operations on the American people. We've heard about COINTELPRO, Project Mockingbird, Rumsfeld's snowflakes, the retired Pentagon generals used to sell the Iraq war etc etc..

Is it Constitutional for the US military to covertly manipulate the minds of the population to sell it's wars?

If there was a real and dire threat to the USA, why would the military need to use psychological operations to "sell" that threat?


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I think it's a moot point because the governments need to provide information to their citizens. By mere virtue of the fact that governments are involved in the information which they disseminate, their biases may become involved in what is said and how it is said.

I do not see any solution to this problem. Would an independent news source help? Not likely, as in all likelihood even such an institution would essentially be a government sub-contractor. Ultimately other institutions and individuals need to keep constantly reviewing government actions. Academia, grassroots political and social movements, etc. etc. can and do keep an eye on things.

Fortunately in the specific case of warfare cited, Americans are not a bellicose people. Every major and minor military engagement has been heavily protested, with the exception of the Second World War and possibly the current war in Afghanistan. But, it is also highly indicative of how and why the American Republic utilizes war that that Republic has done so despite popular sentiment on the subject.

-dommy
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dommy Posted by dommy on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 1:55pm
Where do you draw the line between information and propaganda?

I don't see how intentionally and covertly seeking to manipulate public opinion in the government's or the US military's favor is simply providing information. Actually, I think that's an outrageous assertion!

Maybe you're simply not aware of the extent of government agencies propaganda and psychological operations.

The US military's relationship with Hollywood is the most benign example of state propaganda.

Do you know about COINTELPRO, Operation Mockingbird?

You must know about the Iraq war propaganda that has clearly been discredited now and was a clear coordinated effort in propaganda that was supported by the mainstream media.

What did the media tell us and continues to tell us were the reasons for war in Iraq? Spreading democracy and freedom? Destroying Al Qaeda when it wasn't in Iraq before the invasion? That is propaganda. That is the Matrix.

The truth is not told on corporate media. The real story behind Iraq is partially told here:

Iraq for Sale
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6621486727392146155

Now we're seeing the same propaganda machine leading to war with Iran even though they haven't done anything and have no nukes!

In fact, according to this article (and history relating to the CIA installed Shah of Iran) it is the US that is the clear aggressor and NOT Iran:


Sy Hersh: Congress Is Funding Major Escalation in Secret Operations Against Iran

Congressional leaders agreed to a request from President Bush last year to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran aimed at destabilizing Iran's leadership. This according to a new article by veteran investigative journalist Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker magazine.

The operations were set out in a highly classified Presidential Finding signed by Bush which, by law, must be made known to Democratic and Republican House and Senate leaders and ranking members of the intelligence committees. The plan allowed up to $400 million in covert spending for activities ranging from supporting dissident groups to spying on Iran's nuclear program.

According to Hersh, US Special Forces have been conducting cross-border operations from southern Iraq since last year. These have included seizing members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and taking them to Iraq for interrogation, and the pursuit of so-called "high-value targets" who may be captured or killed.

The rest here:
http://www.alternet.org/audits/89963/?ses=e9e517bcc31a306e94dce3ce7e45ce...

Another good article on state propaganda in relation to Iraq:


Major revelation: U.S. media deceitfully disseminates government propaganda

This morning's "blockbuster" New York Times article by David Barstow, documenting the Pentagon and U.S. media's joint use of pre-programmed "military analysts" who posed as objective experts while touting the Government line and having extensive business interests in promoting those views, is very well-documented and well-reported. And credit to the NYT for having sued to compel disclosure of the documents on which the article is based. There are significant elements of the story that exemplify excellent investigative journalism.

At the same time, though, in light of questions on this very topic raised even by the NYT back in 2003, it is difficult to take the article's underlying points seriously as though they are some kind of new revelation. And ultimately, to the extent there are new revelations here, they are a far greater indictment of our leading news organizations than the government officials on whom it focuses.

Continued here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/04/20/nyt/

So to say that the government is merely providing information with a slight bias is a MASSIVE misrepresentation! It's ABSURD!

Posted by Miggy on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 2:31pm
A response.

My point is that the original question - is government propaganda constitutional - is a moot one. The government does not, cannot, hand out information without it being propaganda in some degree. The government reports on its own activity and naturally wants to be seen in the best light possible. I was just commenting that information is not disseminated without propaganda.

I think that this website is quickly educating me in the libertarian stereotype of the raving mad and zealous follower ever eager to teach his unfortunate comrades about the evil to which they are constantly subject.

-dommy
http://dinodinodino.wordpress.com

dommy Posted by dommy on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 10:36pm
I guess it doesn't really matter....

Hmmm, no replies on this one eh? I would have thought it was a vital issue to ending illegal wars and illegal aggression toward other nations?

Maybe the propaganda is so good that the Break the Matrix people do not even notice it.

Here's a good doco on Hollywood's long standing relationship with the US military:

So much for BREAKING THE MATRIX if you can't even SEE the MATRIX. (recognize propaganda from truth).

Posted by Miggy on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 1:49pm
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