When I was growing up I was taught that when people start calling you names they were either lossing the argument or are unable to articulate their message. In a civilized conversation one can agree, some what agree, or disagree or some what disagree. When passion is involved, goodlluck

The war on terror is nothing more then preemptive strikes designated at false flag operations devised at one point of control and are developed to keep you in total fear of debt,security and what ever else they can think of too throw across your plate and change shift your augmentative state into war. Because war is big business and they cannot make enough money or take enough cherished holy land without large amounts of human sacrifice, it wouldn't be despite to do that now would it? Soon they will try and rejoice with another so called terror attempt at the last bit of straggling freedoms we have left in this country before it shifts into a democratize socialistic system in slavery of debt and control over liberties in light of lost freedoms for security. Real mouthful of a soundbite there!

And I'm not talking about your social security they all ready have you by the balls with that. Feeling flushed yet? if not reach back and jingle the handle a bit, you get the idea.

Sad to say the deal with Georgia and Russia is far from anything but US supported/funded genocide. And now we have issues with other countries? Civilian deaths ? we are becoming the worlds most hated from the worlds most adorned!

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects something it cannot be." Thomas Jefferson

This country is in a revolution and I am lucky to be part of it!
"Ron Paul 2008"

photos from OSETIA!
GEORGAn president IS FACIST!!!!
the first photos from TSHINVALI (S.Osetia)
http://tskhinvali.org/photogallery.html

and what has happened:
http://www.pbase.com/crea7or/image/101602278

Claire you are focusing on the question of "can we win the war?" But the more fundamental question is "should we fight the war?" After 911 all American were rightfully outraged and we wanted to kill whoever was involved in it. But the thing is Iraq was not involved in it, and they did not have weapons of mass destruction either. You don't have to take my word for it. You can watch president Bush say it at;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM&eurl=http://www.prisonplanet....

We also know from the 911 report that none of the hijackers was even from Iraq. Most of them were from Saudi Arabia. And Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia. But we haven't done anything to Saudi Arabia and Bin Laden remains free. So what we have done is attack and bring terrible destruction to a nation that did nothing to us. And at the same time we have done nothing to the nation whose fingerprints are all over 911. How does that make sense?

BTW Some folks today claim we could have won the Vietnam war if we had just stuck with it a little longer. But during the war the Johnson administration and later the Nixon administration were constantly making the claim that we were making progress and we would win. That just was not true.

We lost 57,000 young Americans trying to win the war. God only knows how many more were maimed, disfigured or blinded. And we spent hundreds of billions of dollars. And yet we did not win. And why did we fight it? The incident that really kicked off the war was the Golf of Tonkin incident. Vietnamese ships allegedly fired at American military ships in neutral waters. So that was the incident that led to so much destruction. But many years after the war ended, Robert McNamara who was Secretary of Defense at the time admitted that it never happened! Also during the war we were told that if we didn't win then all of Asia would fall to communism like a string of dominoes and soon the Viet cong would be attacking California. Well that didn't happen either. So all of that horrible destruction was the result of government lies. Was it worth it?

Is it worth it today to devastate a country that did nothing to us?

They won't bulldoze this bastards' home willl they?

Does this look like real progress to you, oh claire?
DesertpeaceELEVEN YEAR OLD ‘TERRORIST’ KILLED BY ISRAELI SOLDIERS
July 30, 2008 at 1:50 pm (Genocide, Israel, Occupied West Bank, Palestine, Soldier Brutality)

(Ben Heine © Cartoons)
Following are quoted texts and my comments..

“He was a young boy playing with his friends. How could he threaten the soldiers?” he said. “They’re just kids who saw a march against the fence and joined in. To come back dead and without a head shows the cruelty of the soldiers.”

But why kill the kid?

Mussa’s 10-year-old friends said they were trying to remove barbed wire placed by the army when a jeep arrived and forces started to fire.

Simple enough explanation…

“Suddenly, we saw the martyr falling and one bullet in his head,” said Mussa’s friend Ahmed Saadat. He admitted that the children then started hurling stones at the forces, with one of them hitting a police officer in the head.

How dare they!!!

Just remember, the bullet that killed this 11 year old boy was a gift from the United States government….

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s said,
July 30, 2008 at 6:04 pm

Just remember when you say Americans or The United States government that you be sure to include ‘Illegal zionist’ to that statement.

ELEVEN YEAR OLD ‘TERRORIST’ KILLED BY ISRAELI SOLDIERS « E Verteta’s Weblog said,
July 30, 2008 at 7:32 pm

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Neil said,
July 30, 2008 at 7:34 pm

WE can’t Americans are getting the rep for allowing their country to fall so far. They unfortunately can LEAVE or face the Allied reprisal for their heinous warcrimes.

BlueyBlogger said,
July 30, 2008 at 7:49 pm

That’s it, I’m calling for an International Boycott on ALL trading with Israel.
This covers just about every major name-branded item on the planet that Israel has been buying up for at least twenty-five years.
I absolutely dare Israel to send the Mossad after me to prevent me going on my radio show and calling for a boycott…..I DARE YOU!!!!!

BlueyBlogger said,
July 30, 2008 at 7:52 pm

IT HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE ABSOLUTELY TRUE….ISRAEL IS A COWARDLY NATION.
THEY WILL ALWAYS BE COWARDS…and that’s why countries bow to Israel…because they’re COWARDS too!
Isn’t it truly strange that ALL cowardly nations in the world are WHITE-SKINNED people!

Cadavre said,
July 30, 2008 at 8:25 pm

More important than story is our need to behave civilly as we comment to thse articles - show no anger - do not besmirch Israel in anyway. Remeber is only Israelis pulling the triggers and getting paid by US arms dealers - it’s the people paying for the genocide and not the people directly responsible.

Israelis have been through a lot - imagine waking everyday to the rutty rot from popping Arab corpses that you were victimized into accepting payment to murder - it wouldn’t be your falt - your the eternal victim - instead - it the fault of those forcing you to accept payment and endure the smells of what you’ve been paid to do.

Will it ever end - the poor poor overly tribulate-d New Jersey and Russian new comers and wondrous progeny of the White Abraham that have been forced to endure the smells of the dead they were paid to kill. Don’t take it out on them - they are without guilt - it everybody else’s fault - they are weak - free shekels does that to the children of the White Abraham.

So be respectful - and don’t blame Israelis for doing the same thing you would do if American Arms dealers were paying you 10 Billion a year.

BiblioHistoria said,
July 30, 2008 at 9:01 pm

Those friends who threw stones at the soldiers? Well three of them were wounded when Isreali soldiers shot them while they were attending Mussa’s funeral.

http://mparent7777-1.livejournal.com/1093552.html

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We Are At The Edge Of The Abyss

The Rense website has posted an article out of Russia that everyone needs to read, comprehend and heed.

No sooner than this article was announced out of Russia and Iran than Bush calls a press conference and lifts the executive ban on offshore drilling. There is also a very good possibility that such an act by George W Bush was an "unofficial announcement of defeat". I think the US just lost the entire debate regarding the oil and gas out of the entire Caspian Basin region. If you do not know what that means, see the other article I have on Rense titled "The Pyrrhic Victory of The Great Decider".

Matters are now at the edge of the abyss as to the pipedream Neocon plans out of DC, London and Israel to attack Iran.

TEHRAN, July 13 (RIA Novosti) -- Russian energy giant Gazprom [RTS: GAZP] and Iran's Ministry of Petroleum will sign on Sunday a memorandum of cooperation in the oil and gas sphere, an Iranian deputy oil minister said.

"Interaction between Iran and Russia in all spheres and especially in the energy sphere is very wide. We expect to further broaden this cooperation in the future," Hossein Noghrehkar Shirazi said.

Shirazi said a series of discussions would precede the signing of the cooperation memorandum.

Iran ranks fourth in terms of crude reserves after Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Kuwait, as well as fourth in terms of oil production after Saudi Arabia, the United States and Russia. Iran's proven gas reserves total more than 28 trillion cubic meters.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20080713/113855321.html

Make no mistakes, an attack on Iran will now be viewed as an attack on Russia's vital interests.

It is already viewed as vital to the energy interests of China because Iran is supplying oil and liquefied natural gas (LNG) to China under a long-term, $400 billion contract.

We can thank Bush, Cheney, the Neocons, the lunatics out of DC, Tel Aviv and London for totally botching and losing their Global War on Terror, which is nothing more than a "shield" for them to hide their Grand Chessboard scheme of dominating world energy supplies.

If you refer back to "The Pyrrhic Victory of The Great Decider" you can clearly see that the means for routing Iranian natural gas into Russia and Europe is already in place. Bridas Corporation is already supplying Iranian natural gas into Russia and Europe, while Bush and Blair delivered nothing but hot air, mayhem and idle promises. There have already been announcements that those pipeline routes will be increased in capacity.

Russia has an air wing of their most advanced fighter jets [Sukhoi Su-30] parked in Yerevan Armenia right now and Mig29 fighters.
That is Mount Ararat mentioned in the Bible in the background.
This photo below is a Russian jet fighter positioned just north of Iran.

http://www.rense.com/general82/abyss.htm

The "Global War on Terror" aka "Project for a New American Century" aka "The Global Dominance Project" appears to be at a stalemate.

The real threat behind the GWOT is not the third world arabs with boxcutters, it's the rising superpowers Russia and China and the geniuses in Washington are leading us into a very dangerous confrontation with those nations if they attack Iran. They have real weapons not just boxcutters!!

Does the USA really need a confrontation with Russia and China when it's economy is in the middle of a meltdown?

""""""""Claire, your bias towards Israel is palpable even though Israel is one of the most oppressive human rights abusers in the world. Not to mention the US with it's Guantanomo Bay, secret renditions and torture. Isn't imprisoning people indefinitely without the right of habeas corpus and torturing them somewhat oppressive?

Claire's thoughts on Israel:

"I think Israelis are for the most part humane and reasonable people who are only trying to survive. If members of Hamas were equally reasonable, Palestinians could live in peace with Israel."

What?!! Have you been living under a rock?! Do you get ALL OF YOUR NEWS from Fox News??

You're so self-righteous, misguided, ignorant and bigoted it is truly hard to believe!

No more will I respond to the Claire's and Ibrahim's of these forums. They are a waste of time.""""""

Ummmmmm, methinks our pal miggy here is a tad too egotistical for his own knowledge.

Israel/Palestine is far more complicated than just a bunch of Jews Oppressing a bunch of Arabs. There is the other side of the coin, too. Young angry Arabs trying to kill those icky Jews...

If you take two people whose families have been killing each other for centuries and put them in a room, and give one of them a stick and a shield and the other one a club and a helmit, you will get an idea what is really transpiring in Israel.

And once again, it is religion and ethnic identity that is the number one cause, neither of which are even logical or valid rational human constructs.

I have to remind myself that it's not your fault, you just don't know any better than what the mainstream media has led you to believe. You're just naive, not evil...

I hope our next president (most likely Obama) will give it a try, because I really want to see if it works, if it will make us safer. I hope he does, and I hope it works.

You still don't understand that these wars are not about making anybody safer or protecting America from terrorists. It's about empire building, it's about gaining access to natural resources, it's about global dominance strategy.

Those in power tell you and the rest of the sheeple that it's about nipping terrorism in the bud but in their own documents that anybody can read themselves they talk about military dominance and ensuring America's global dominance for a new American century by securing the Middle East (Iraq and Iran) and Central Asia (Afghanistan).

Bush doesn't give a damn about the terrorists. He's said so himself when he said he doesn't spend much time thinking about Osama Bin Laden and yet has launched to invasions of sovereign notions supposedly under the pretext of fighting terrorism. It's just a lie and not a very good one at that.

When will naive people like you realize this? It's very simple, all you have to do is read their own writings. Until you bother to do that then there is really not point discussing these issues with you. You're still at the kindergarten level when the rest of us are in the sixth grade.

Ibrahim is still in diapers...

This is the most important thing to understanding the Bush foreign policy (written by the people that created and executed Bush's foreign policy, Cheney, Rummie, Libby, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, etc etc..):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_a_new_american_century

To think that Obama might "try non-intervention" is kindergarten naive. His foreign policy advisor is Zbigniew Brzezinski and Madeleine Albright. More globalists with the same agenda. Just read their writings...

Claire says:

"I hate oppressive ideologies, strongly disapprove of the people who promote them (I don't hate them, because I think anybody is redeemable), and feel a great deal of sympathy for the people they oppress. As for Islam as it is practiced in Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and Yemen, among so many other places, it makes me angry to see people's human rights abused in the name of a religion. What kind of hypocritical, twisted freedom movement approves of such things as the subjugation of women, and the killing of apostates?

Do you care about the many victims of Islam, or are they just "so far away physically and culturally that it makes it incredibly funny to think about"?"

Claire, your bias towards Israel is palpable even though Israel is one of the most oppressive human rights abusers in the world. Not to mention the US with it's Guantanomo Bay, secret renditions and torture. Isn't imprisoning people indefinitely without the right of habeas corpus and torturing them somewhat oppressive?

Claire's thoughts on Israel:

"I think Israelis are for the most part humane and reasonable people who are only trying to survive. If members of Hamas were equally reasonable, Palestinians could live in peace with Israel."

What?!! Have you been living under a rock?! Do you get ALL OF YOUR NEWS from Fox News??

You're so self-righteous, misguided, ignorant and bigoted it is truly hard to believe!

No more will I respond to the Claire's and Ibrahim's of these forums. They are a waste of time.

Understanding the other side--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uougZOEJKo4&feature=related

If you think you can't go too far with a conspiracy, consider this--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eudy7hy940Y&feature=related

A little more terror and American foreign policy humor from England--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-szubinmBU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUx0a49X9lU&feature=related

seeing as Kaybee and Ibrahim have buried this thread under a pile of trivial noise.

For the physicist's perspective:
http://www.documentarywire.com/911-revisited-scientific-and-ethical-ques...

For the investigation whistleblower's perspective:
http://www.documentarywire.com/911-a-new-standard-for-deception-by-kevin...

For the scholar's perspective:
http://www.documentarywire.com/911-the-myth-and-the-reality-dr-david-ray...

For the MI5 whistleblower's perspective:
http://www.documentarywire.com/david-shayler-on-911/

For the architect's perspective:
http://www.documentarywire.com/911-blueprint-for-truth-architect-richard...

For the survivor's perspective:
http://www.breakthematrix.com/content/Yes-there-were-bombs-in-the-buildi...

And many more at:
http://www.documentarywire.com

And a website with comments from survivors, victim's families, government officials, pilots, architects, engineers, celebrities etc etc..
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/