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SIGHTINGS
Human Engineered Earthquakes
by Ray Bilger
Let's now explore what has been, and what is being done in the area of geophysical manipulations. The primary focus here will be human-induced earthquakes, as this is a main area of Elite interest. This is, of course, because earthquakes are so profound and have the most dramatic effects for purposes of controlling populations. Most people may never comprehend the fact that human beings have the capability to produce such things, or that humans would ever do such things to each other. So, when an earthquake occurs, very few would ever even think of asking, "Was that natural or man-made?" Actually, now that we have progressed into a higher level of activity with respect to Earth Changes, it becomes increasingly more difficult to know which is which. In some places the ground seems to be shaking all the time!
As you will recall, in Part V of this series, we mentioned Nicola Tesla's 'Controlled Earthquakes of 1935,' labelled by Tesla as "the art of telegeodynamics."
Tesla was able to cause "rhythmical vibrations to pass through the Earth with almost no loss of
energy," and he could "convey these mechanical effects to the greatest terrestrial distances and
produce all kinds of unique effects."
The author has little information on developments over the forty years following 1935, yet something must have been happening because, as mentioned in Part IX of this series, a Senate sub-committee hearing, chaired by Senator Claiborne Pell, stated that: "We need a treaty now...before the military leaders of the world start directing storms, manipulating climates and inducing earthquakes against their enemies." Senator Pell would not have spoken these words in 1975 about inducing earthquakes unless he had some knowledge that such technology existed.
Also, reported in Part IX of this series, on December 10, 1976, the General Assembly of the United Nations approved the Convention of the Prohibition of Military or any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques,' and issued a report. Again, such a report would not have been issued if there were not technology in place capable of environmental modification, including the ability to induce earthquakes.
The June 5, 1977, New York Times described the great earthquake which destroyed Tangshan, China on July 28, 1976, and killed over 650,000 people.
Just before the first tremor at 3:42 am, the sky lit up like daylight. The multi-hued lights, mainly white and red, were seen up to 200 miles away. Leaves on many trees were burned to a crisp and growing vegetables were scorched on one side, as if by a fireball.
Some investigators believe these electrical effects were associated with electromagnetic plasma and ball lightning and the strange array of flashes which result from Tesla-style technology and /or HAARP-like transmissions. Was this brilliant flash of colored light what Tesla was talking about in 1935 when he mentioned "all kinds of unique effects²"? Was this earthquake just a test of the system, conducted on the unsuspecting people of China? It certainly does not appear that it was a natural earthquake.
In January of 1978, Dr. Andrija Puharich, MD, LL.D, issued a detailed research paper entitled 'Global Magnetic Warfare - A Layman's View of Certain Artificially Induced Unusual Effects on The Planet Earth During 1976 and 1977.' In his paper, Dr. Puharich stated, "Of the many great earthquakes of 1976, there is one that demands special attention - the July 28, 1976 Tangshan, China earthquake."
The January 1978 edition of Specula magazine ran an article which described an incredibly profound phenomenon that could be produced within the Earth by what is called the 'Tesla Effect.'
According to the article, electromagnetic signals of certain frequencies can be transmitted through the Earth to form standing waves in the Earth itself. In certain cases, coherence to this standing wave can be induced wherein a fraction of the vast, surging electromagnetic current of the Earth itself feeds into and augments the induced standing wave.
In other words, "much more energy is now present in the standing wave that the ...amount being
fed in from the Earth's surface." By interferometer techniques, giant standing waves can be
combined to produce a focused beam of very great energy. This can the be used to produce
earthquakes induced at distant aiming points.
It might be good to go back and re-read the above paragraph a couple of times. This is one of the things which greatly concerned Mr. Tesla, because this is exactly the type of thing that could easily get out of control once it begins vibrating within the Earth and could actually cause the Earth to VIBRATE TO PIECES. Could the use of this technique have been responsible for the great earthquake in Tangshan, China in 1976?
One source, Dr. Peter Beter, has stated that, by 1977, the Russians had placed fission-fusion-fission Superbombs in certain deep undersea trenches around the Phillipines. The source believes that the Phillipines are in the position of a 'keystone' within the giant Pacific Tectonic Plate. Russia had already been setting off lower yield undersea weapons in other areas around the Pacific Ocean causing strong earthquakes.
Dr. Beter believes the intention was/is to relieve tensions all around the Pacific plate, except the Phillipines where stresses would build to tremendous levels. Then, at a certain point, the bombs around the Phillipines will be set off. It is expected that this will cause incredible earthquakes and tidal waves and ultimately devastate the American West Coast. Volcanoes erupting in the Phillipines are an indication that stresses are building in the area. (Readers need to understand that earthquakes and volcanoes are intimately connected and work hand in hand, with the one sometimes triggering the other, and sometimes the reverse. An earthquake can open vents deep in the Earth which allow lava to flow up. In other cases, the stresses driving volcanic activity can also cause earthquakes.
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Which is unusual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecLwVgvvTvU
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> Many small movements of a back and forth nature!!!!
we're differentiating here between vibration and a shift of position. vibration is proposed here as a mean of exciting a mass to the point where it will lose its grip on another mass and shift itself by releasing all the accumulated tension. are we not in agreement here?
> You may want to consider the question: is it easier to "vibrate" something that shifts and moves or something that is held in a fixed position?
fine. if it helps you conduct this thought experiment, let's propose that the mountain we're trying to vibrate has been detached from the ground. it is now merely resting on the ground. deal?
> I think it would take less energy to move tectonic plates than mountains
and this is where you lost me. i'm done with this discussion right here. you're being extremely ridiculous.
to suit whatever your spouting in the moment
You asked if it were possible to make moutains vibrate, at the same time you claimed that vibrating had nothing to do with movemnet
Your original question was "do you think anyone can generate enough energy to make a mountain vibrate?" I answered yes and listed three possible methods to make mountains vibrate.
Your new definition of vibration is specifically tailored to a situation where tectonic plates are rubbing against each other. What would a mountain shift it's mass to -- the air?
I'm not sure what your point is, really not. Please clarify?
about Tesla in a new Forum,
please check it out - very interesting stuff and a good introduction to the theories behind HAARP
Also included is a retelling of Baxter's "he claimed to talk to Mars" slur which is cogently explained. The video explains that Tesla was the first to pick up radio signals from Mars -- today it is understood that all planets emit radio signals
I have to say, everything that BAXTER has ever said or posted that I've been foolish enough to look into has turned out to be a falsehood of some degree
I don't know how this theoretical earthquake machine could be successful in light of the new learning, which can utilize sheep's bladders to prevent earthquakes.
Tom Mullen
www.tommullen.net
www.myspace.com/skepticsongs
Why wouldn't it be theoretically possible to build an earthquake machine? Once we know how earthquakes are caused, and we do, that automatically makes it a scientific possibility at some point, whether we currently have the technology or not. So if Tesla was even close to on the right track, then yes of course that could have set scientists along the needed path to accomplish it.
I doubt that you could just point and shoot and bam there's your earthquake anywhere you want it, but it could certainly assist and alter what is already there.
If anyone thinks this is silly to debate, remember that the Canadian media covered a big story on HAARP and the potential concerns, and others have as well. Nobody proved anything but the so called experts defending HAARP failed to debunk anything either. None of this is secret information.
Anyway my 2 cents is that it can't hurt to be aware of this so that everyone keeps there eyes open in the future. I doubt any debate can prove anything at this point but I'm glad it's posted all the same.
I, Garland, will knock you all down!
Furthermore, since we know earthquakes are caused by tectonic plates shifting it only remains a question of how to force the plates to move. A nicely placed nuke? Perhaps.
Ditto to that. Seems like a quake fault is pretty vulnerable for an insertion of explosives. And, sadly, I don't put anything past the elitests.
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The song "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On!" and "Great Balls Of Fire!" were both planted into mainstream America by sinister elites to get us all used to the idea of earthquakes and mushroom clouds.
That way, when they came, we wouldn't notice them so much...
barrier to bring about inter racial mingling
and destroy the white race
(OK. I'm joking. My kind of humour)
each debunking. Your depth of information barely exceeds the baby pool. Citing "MYTHBUSTERS" as a source of scientific evidence to refute Tesla - one of the biggest scientific geniuses of all time.
That is classic. Can I use an old Smurf's episode to support a theory of an evil master manipulating the scenes from behind the curtain??
you just repeat the same old mantra as if you think that if you repeat it often enough it will magically come true.
I hate to burst your baloon Adam, even though Tesla was a genius, he like everybody else, made mistakes, and perhaps drifted into insanity and senility as he grew older.
Check this out on his claiming to have received messages from Mars:
http://www.teslasociety.com/signaltomars.htm
"Some claim that Tesla went wrong as soon as he struck upon his quest for wireless energy. Others believe that he descended into insanity or senility when he began to speak of death rays and Martians. Tesla never accepted the work of Albert Einstein, which he criticized as being vague and incoherent. Given his adherence to these beliefs, many question how great a scientist Tesla could have been. Strictly speaking, such arguments are probably correct. To the best of modern scientific knowledge, Tesla's free energy system simply would not work, there are no signals broadcast from Mars, and the theory of relativity is sound. But there are two things left to consider. First, even if Tesla's later ideas were dead wrong, they by no means diminish the immense quantity of very right ideas that he contributed to our world. And second, it bears remembering that alternating current was also perceived as unrealistic Tesla gibberish for quite some time before its true brilliance was finally proven. There is the possibility, however remote, that Tesla's most bizarre concepts will be validated at some point in the future, when science finally catches up with him. Only time will tell. "
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/60_Primaerliteratur/Wireless-Energy-Transfer.pdf
Meyl sells experimental apparatus that replicates Tesla's overunity wireless energy
transfer, through faraday cages, no less.
http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=60_Docs&page=1&sublevel=0
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/60_Primaerliteratur/Scalar-Waves.pdf
links
What you just posted is a vague generalization that says perhaps Tesla was crazy in his old age though maybe not. Then it mentions how an idea of his that was once perceived as crazy (alternating current)was later verified. Also, it mentions the "immense quality of very right ideas" that he originated.
Neil you've never dealt in anything but characterizations and generalizations. I didn't advance the theory of Haarp assisted earthquakes so there's nothing for you to disprove to me. However, your little blurb doesn't even mention Haarp assisted earthquakes. ??
My comment was really mocking you for an attempt to counter a scientific argument by one of the worlds recognized scientific geniuses with an episode from a fluffy prime time T.V. show! Then you counter with this general, un-referenced, non-specific, statement.
If you are trying to convince yourself or save face then perhaps you're not failing as miserably as if you're aim was actually to sway by reason or logical argument.
You're always looking for the quick and easy fix Neil. Very little substance. Now go watch Mythbusters.
telling us that the Myth Busters, who used all of Tesla's calculations in building his earthquake machine, tested it and proved it to be a myth or shaky science at best, holds no water simply because you think its a fluffy TV show?
There you go with your crazy media conspiracies again.
an earthquake? I doubt it. I don't think they have the funding, clearance, or materials to verify either way. Tesla, invented/discovered alternating current. Say that was his only contribution (it wasn't) how does that stack up to two guys on T.V. that drop stuff out of planes? There success rate is determined by how many lonely guys watch them do their midbrow exhibitionistic goof-ball experiementation. You do not refute Tesla with Mythbusters! Sorry, very different arenas.
Blast off my friend. Safe travels in orbit. Say hello to your uncle Spock.
It doesn't matter who says it, it only matters if it is true or not. One way to find out if an idea is true is to test it. They took his plans, built it, and tested it. It didn't work. Now if you, or anyone else, were to take a copy of the plans - released by the patent office, you could try it too. Many probably have.
Now Tesla also claimed to have used his death ray to cause the Tunguska explosion. The problem is, he was pointing his ray toward the north pole so that the Peary expedition could see it. They saw nothing - he later claimed that he had overshot the mark and hit Tunguska. The problem is that tesla was pointing his device north toward the pole, but eye witnesses to the Tunguska event observed a meteor/comet on a trajectory from the south east toward the northwest - which would be the opposite direction from Tesla's deathray. The Tunguska event is now believed to have been cause by a slow moving meteorite that is beleved to be buried underneath a lake 5 miles from the epicenter - material of meteroic origin has been found near the lake.
Tesla also claimed to be receiving signals from Mars near the end of his life - doesn't mean it was true. We have not recieved any signals since nor have we seen any Martians.
is contained within your argument. I thank you for saving me the time to find it on my own.
Here's a statement of your's you might consider "take a copy of the plans - released by the patent office"
Now lets say Tesla really had a working theory for such a weapon -- do you think you could walk up to the window at the patent office and politely ask for a copy?
We know that nuclear weapons exist. Can you obtain a copy of detailed plans on how to construct a nuclear bomb at the patent office? Maybe the mythbusters will test that bizarre theory next.
As for the rest of your comment - it sounds like a personal retelling of a Tesla myth/rumour. It may be true, but your telling it to me, without reference or quotes, and in your own words, doesn't convince me of it.
And once again, you have triumphantly refuted an assertion that no one made. For example your self contained point that just because Tesla claimed to receive signals from Mars doesn't mean he did is obvious. Of course, if you showed a reference, quote, or other documentation that offerred evidence for Tesla claiming to receive messages it would be not only obvious but factual. Nonetheless, it remains irrelevant since I'm not claiming that Tesla did or didn't receive messages from Mars. No one even mentioned that besides you! It's just a bizarre tidbit you throw in there to make Tesla sound strange. All I have to say to that is the man invented/discovered alternating current. So I don't care if you think he was strange in his old age.
Neil, please, please, please, try reading up on Tesla before commenting again.
I shouldn't be watching Myth Busters any longer because you have so much more credibility and scientific knowledge than the Myth Busters.
Thanks a lot AdamAdam you just ruined my Tuesday nights. :P
of very super cool dudes that watches Mythbusters, that must be the one you belong to
btw, I don't claim more credibility than those two, but I certainly, most certainly, to the millionth degree, don't claim more credibility than Tesla.
Look, I never said, "oh yes, earthquakes may be triggered by human intervention" Tesla said that. Before I'd even dream of trying to debunk it I'd try to understand his theory (in process) and acclimate my scientific understanding to comprehed what he's talking about. (may take years)
I do understand that waves can be multiplied if you put two waves of matching frequency together (er , pretty sure). If you can multiply wave forms many times over and focus the energy then you'd have a very powerful beam. The idea that natural processes are influenced by wave energy is accepted I think, so it would seem to follow that if you manipulate this source energy you could manipulate the results of the source energy (weather, natural occurrences). I really don't know if it's possible and I still don't understand all of Tesla's theories and they are not easily accessible.
Neilwhat'sabaxter4 doesn't think he needs to understand the theory before he attempts to debunk it with a nonsensical off topic quote.
For the record t.v. shows and wikipedia are not accepted as hard references in the scientific or academic world, or by me for the most part. Except when offerred by Dude in Devon. Old skool.
mean the only source for any further information on these theories are super duper top secret plans by mad scientist who work for KAOS? And that its their evil plan to use these machines against us so they can rule the world.. BBBBWAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAHHHAAAAAAA!
no, not really --- there's info. out there.
Of course if you applied your statement to nukes I think it would be accurate. Look at all the fuss over Iran getting a nuke.
Honestly, I wouldn't believe anything that I saw on TV if I were you. I'd read and research about Tesla yourself, because I seriously doubt the guys on Mythbusters (being as smart as they are) could even begin to think on the level of Tesla. I wouldn't knock it until I built the machine myself and saw it didn't work.
Who's to say that Mythbusters aren't a part of the "mass media" problem... seriously? I mean... they are owned and produced by SOMEBODY, right?
I'm definitely not going to debunk one of the most intelligent beings of all time just because Mythbusters "proved" it was wrong.
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"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it."
Isn't that where I saw those 9/11 truthers? And I was just about ready to bite on that too. And now I am told I can't believe anything I see on TV. Oh, just a minute, isn't that where I saw Ron Paul? Can I believe him? How about the internet? Can I believe anything there? Obviously, the only thing I'm allowed to believe are conspiracy theories.
So, the Mythbusters are part of a conspiracy too?
The company I work for manufactures satellite reception products that work up to 22 gigahertz, many of which are used in aircraft. If you have watched satellite TV on an aircraft, it was very likely that we provided a device called a low noise block downconverter for the system. Tesla's 'earthquake machine' is essentially an oscillating motor just like you would find in a jackhammer - and just like it was described in Mythbusters. One of the things that an RF product must do in an aircraft in flight is to not suffer degradation in performance while under intense vibration (oscillation). We have to test our products for this. In other words, we are testing for resonance effects while our products are under intense oscillation. This is done at a testing lab in Vancouver, BC. I have pictures of the device and the test being performed that I can send to anyone who wishes to see them. Our RF products fly in hundreds of aircraft around the world. The device that is used to test our products is essentially the same as the Tesla earthquake machine.
The company I work for is here:
http://orbitalresearch.net/
The proof that I work for them is here:
http://orbitalresearch.net/About_Orbital.htm
There is actually a clip on Youtube of an oscillator, or rather a set of oscillators simulating the effects of an earthquake on a building. If you take the trouble to view the clip, any reasonable person will quickly see the impracticality of the device being used as a weapon:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OyPleemSPnE
I don't claim to be an authority - I'm not. But I do know something about this topic. But that is irrelevant. What is relevant is the approach to information. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
I require that a theory should have some kind of demonstration, or rational proof, or at least evidence that doesn't fall apart at the slightest gust of wind before I'll believe it. Isaac Newton was a genius with a higher standing that Tesla. He actually discovered natural laws - gravitation, optics, calculus - we still use his calculations in guiding our spacecraft today. But Newton spent 35 years of his life studying alchemy - an endeavour that failed to discover anything. All that means is that brilliant people are not always right, and not always successful in their endeavors.
Does that mean that Tesla and Newton are not geniuses who discovered great things? Of course not. Did they have dead ends and mistakes? Well, they were human...
I don't go with arguments from authority. I don't care if Tesla said it, or if Marx said it, or if somebody says God said it. If its true, if it works - show me! Nobody has shown a practical working copy of Tesla's machine functioning in the way Tesla said it worked. It is a matter of scale. The size of a practical earthquake machine is unbelievable for it to be able to cause an earthquake on the other side of the world.
Break this down into logical syllogisms, and the arguments I'm facing are like this:
Tesla was a genius.
Geniuses are never wrong
Therefore Tesla was never wrong.
You are not a genius
Only geniuses are ever right
Therefore you are wrong.
Tesla says he made a practical, working earthquake machine
Tesla is a genius
Geniuses are never mistaken
Therefore Tesla made a practical, working earthquake machine.
If there were people planting explosives in WTCs 1,2 & 7 - BUSY buildings -why did no-one see them? Of course, that's a pretty big hole in the theory. Buildings that have been the focus of prior terror events have security. Why didn't they see something? When truthers are asked this, they respond that Bush's brother was in charge of security at that time. He wasn't. He was on the board of directors of a company that some years prior had provided security - he had nothing to do with security at the time. But even though this has been pointed out to truthers over and over again, they still keep regurgitating the same refuted crap.
Okay, let's take another tack at this. To be able to use a devise that could demolish a building without explosives would be useful, right? Great for controlled demolition. Fantastic, you could bring down the WTC WITHOUT having to use explosives! Surely, the world global conspiracy to take over the universe and beyond could do this - because they had Tesla's patents. So why didn't they? Where are the Tesla devices for controlled demolition? Where's Tesla's death ray? We sure could have used that too. Where are the private demolition companies using Tesla's device for demolition - it would sure save on explosives. Why would it not be used in mining? Imagine, open pit mining without explosives! Where is the evidence of terrorists using such devices? The patents are in public domain for his 'earthquake' device. Why doesn't somebody build one that works?
Check out the Internet, there are any number of people building home copies of Tesla's devices. Businesses use Tesla's inventions. Nobody has found a use for this invention? Wonder why not? It' not like nobody knows about Tesla. Surely the armed forces and the CIA could use a device that would knock down a building without explosives. Where are the examples of this? You wouldn't need to send missiles and bombers to take care of Iraq. Bin Laden is in a cave complex in Afghanistan - collapse it around his ears!
Think of the terror possibilities, why if you wanted to terrify the American public, what would be better than that - I can see the headlines - "Building collapses in New York - terror connections suspected!"
If it works, which in a way it does, - but not in the way or the scale described by Tesla - why isn't there one - a practical earthquake machine?
and thorough response Neil.... and these nut cases vote you down. so sad
These "nutcases", Ken? ..... Seriously?
Have you forgotten that we are your fellow revolutionaries?
Have you forgotten that we are on the same team and fighting for the same goal?
Have you forgotten why we are at BTM in the first place?
... maybe you should think before you start calling names.
-Miss Green
"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it."
seems that many vote down for no reason at all other than they don't like the person or their views.
I thought Neil made an excellent posting and it received many down votes... doesn't make sense to me. But hey, thats me..
Now I could assume that you were one of them because of your response, but I wont. And yes.. regardless of whether they are my fellow revolutionaries, I still call a nutcase ... well, a nutcase , cause it would appear that those aren't "thinking" before they hit the little arrow.
I will give Tesla credit where credit is due... he is human and we all make mistakes and probably extraordinary claims at times... lets not forget what this forum was about either. I am a very open minded person yet I draw the line when it comes to these types of claims. Just because they somehow connect it to someone like Tesla doesn't make it any more credible to me.. cause thats the whole idea, it sucks in and further pollutes simple minds.
his links??
Maybe you can explain how a model of a building shaking back and forth on a track relates to directed energy, Haarp, or weather manipulation????
gonna fool me again Baxter3.5
The link you posted was once again irrelevant and off topic. Now I'm certain that you only post links to make your long winded responses appear more authentic. The link you posted must've been the result of a 15 second you tube search. I watched it. Did you watch it?
A model of an apartment buidling on shocks that shakes back and forth. And this relates to the idea of focused energy how?? I mean besides the obvious link that they both are related to earthquakes.
Every single link of yours that you've posted in an argument has been non-specific and hasn't even supported your own arguments.
Quit going for the quick fix Baxter!