One cant help but notice the massive amount of content that is being linked to Alex Jones's Infowars and Prison Planet sites.
Is this what YOU want people of BTM?
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Let's talk about what's good/bad about Infowars.com
"The government should be afraid of its people, not the other way around".
for your comments. I just got around to reading them.
I would say that the site will be less attractive if we post a bunch of hardcore conspiracy theories and not alternatives. So far I have seen a fairly good mix. But there is a poignant lack of articles that have to do with life in general and other happenings in America and elsewhere. I think that can be improved, but so far I find it difficult to find the articles that have not risen to the level of 'popular'.
I do have an article that I have submitted that needs to be voted up simply because it is quality content by a great economist who shoots straight and doesn't lie about the economy.
THE ULTAMITE ANSWER TO THIS IS NO IT WILL NOT BE LIKE NE OF ALEX'S SITES BECAUSE HERE WE HAVE A GREAT FORUM AND GROUP OF POEOPLE TO KEEP THE SITE GROUNDED
(I'm going to whisper, so listen closely...)
I'm ambivalent about Alex Jones, not because of content (most of his reporting is likely rooted in truth and a good bit of it is spot-on true) but because he screams.
He hyperventilates, and the fellow screams. The veins in his neck pop out, and his eyes bulge, and he appears to be on the verge of cardiac arrest. Quite often.
Makes a person really jumpy, you know? Like a pastor at the pulpit who carries on like that...really turns me off!
It's salesmanship style; maybe he's not like that at home, who knows. I'm sure it's very effective for some used car dealers and for most pulpiteers in the Deep South, but it just gives me a headache and forces me to another website, quick. Anything...turn it off!
Even if the facts were well corroborated, the style is what freaks me out the most. The InfoWars material doesn't meet a reasonable standard of journalistic due diligence (some of it is just tinfoil hat nutcase stuff for sure) but sadly, InfoWars probably beats 75% of mainstream media on that score. Most of the MSM today is regurgitated leftist pap and drivel rather than plain, factual news.
Ron Paul definitely attracted a heterogeneous following, from conservative Christians to raging atheists; from anarchists and libertarian dope-smokers to punctilious history buffs and constitutionalists. I should think when the election cycle finishes and Dr. Paul rides off into the sunset with his grandkids and his well-deserved book royalties, this disparate "movement" will have choices to make, but being reared on party politics and the worship of voting booths, will not know how to re-direct their energies.
This is the beauty of the America Again! project, and I hope this group will espouse that annual Independence Day event, and more importantly the lifelong self-governance model it brings to the table of American political economy.
announcer, part WWF personality.
He just did another long interview with Ron Paul -- I think that alone gives him some credibility. If Ron Paul goes on his show repeteadly why would we spurn him?
His content is viewed from the perspective of a "paranoid conspiracy theorist" but if you agree with him you refer to that perspective as "history".
Anyhow, just like you do with any other reporter or purveryor of information, you have to take it with a grain of salt and decide for yourself. One reason why he's so heavy handed is because he's actively trying to counterbalance the overwhelming din of the MSM.
I think it should also be noted that "research", "studies" and "statistics" are so easily cooked to support any argument that screaming and cursing often seems like the logical alternative.
It is not, but it would be fine if it was. The more truth out there the better. BTM is much different and will contiune to grow as will Infowars. They are both great forums for ideas that are seldom seen or heard in the "mainstream press." BTM could do very well to grow as Infowars has.
I'm watching you saucerman.
Good one!
I've been a libertarian for 10 years, reading all the academic and philisophical books I could find on the topic. I only became aware of Alex jones in the last year. The reason I started listening to him is that I saw the concerted efforts to shut Ron Paul out of this election to such a degree that it really gave me a new level of awareness on how corrupt our media is. In my efforts to figure out how this could be or what mechanisms were making the media so consistently rigged/misleading/bad/controlled... I stumbled into Alex Jones, 9/11 truth, CFR, None Dare Call It a Conspiracy etc. I now listen to Alex more than I watch TV or listen to the radio. I don't pretend that Mr Jones is error free and I don't pretend he doesn't have a bias, because he does and he admits it. I do contend that his brand of propaganda is far less toxic than what I find in the MSM everyday and he has given me info on source readings that have greatly improved my understanding of the world we live in.
Dude, Personally, I enjoy Alex. I think he is entertaining and occasionally enlightening, but this all goes back to your post on critical thinking.
Critical thinking is an aquired skill that requires practice and honest self reflection. It has been my experience, that most people are too lazy to put in the hard work it requires to develop it and too self absorbed to even recognize that they need to.
Nevertheless, I believe the onus is on the listeners and the recpients of information, in general, to seperate the wheat from the chaff and not on the providers of information to mollycoddle people through that information in a piecemeal fashion.
Some people will get it and some people won't, but more people should. We can't take the time to protect everyone who lacks the capacity for critical thinking.
I agree with every point you make. Thanks for the comments, you have excellent writing ability, that's one of my faults, but I can certainly over analyze just about anything. :)
It is my hope that if people choose to post material here, to maybe just back it up with a little commentary of their own. To just post and link every story that is at infowars or prison planet is a bit of a disservice to the viewer or reader. Maybe my biases tend to lean against this type of behavior or content, cause I dealt with many incessant and venomous people who were listeners and readers of these sites over on Myspace.
I think you know where I coming from Nick. I suppose all I could ask is that these posters try and be a little balanced with respect to their postings, something Trevor even had asked of us all.
And correct now matter where the information is coming from. Myself included of course. I post many articles and no substance from myself. I have an opionion as well. Which I have been; and are, working on at the moment, articles with many links within key words and phrases pertaining to each point.
I think that this consolidation effort will be much appreciated for many readers here at BTM.
It is a very time consuming effort, but the result should be quite interesting.
I dont know about others posting here, but I have no intention of creating an atmosphere like Myspace in regards to the flaming and infighting. Again, Id rather be doing other things in life, and what time I use to spread information I use wisely. Though at times my frustrations bear themselves as well, I am Human.
You are not my enemy.
Peace Ken.
we should all strive for quality as opposed to quantity.
I'll be looking forward to your work.
also, that there is alot of information out there, and for a present article that makes no relevant sense at first glance, needs to supporting information. And much of the time that supporting information spans many years. Everyday there is more information coming out that perpetuates this problem. Most people want all the research just dumped in their laps, like the streak at the local steak house.
Ok, I agree, it should be concise, well written, linked, etc. That takes much time and effort, and requires one do this full time, and for a living. Most of the researchers out there are doing this out of our free time. I personally only sleep about 3 hours at a time, and sometimes not for very long durations.
This is not fun. Id rather be doing something else with my time, rather then doing what I do. But someone has to, someone has to transmit. Maybe other people could start consolidating information from the bulk load, condense it, start a blog, etc. This is an information war, no doubt, information is power.
Help us, we do not want more enemies, and especially ones that we are engaging this battle for.
HELP US!
Their are many sources of Alternative News today, and basically are all saying the same thing.
We are almost at the 3rd Stage of Truth now. Reality is not at all the way it appears to us. We have been had in a grand way. An 'ass ramming' if there was ever one. Let us now merge together, the many differing parts of our movement, all of it, for it all has one source, our Country. Its in alot of trouble, and the World as well, Humanity needs to wake, and take action, before the entire Earth is under their control; if not already.
This is fearful, there is no way around it, just plane damn fearful.
One cannot separate this from the conclusion. Soon now, Im going to start posting quotes from the Global Elite throughout the last 100 years or so. These quotes leave no doubt to their plans, or to the fact that their plans do in fact raise fear. To use the imagination to think of the future time, if they have their way.
It is not any messenger who raises fear. It is the people whom the messenger is talking about. The group of people that desire these things that is the source of the 'fear mongering'.
The messenger only sends out the information pertaining to their devices and machinations.
Eventually the messenger begins to see the multilayered threads that run through everything pertaining to the stated subjects.
Without the messenger, persons wouldnt be able to even have a choice between what is wrong or right, theory or conspiracy.
Quite frankly, it concerns me that people today dont believe in Conspiracies, when the passage of History is filled with them, why are things no different today?
Is it because World wide there are nothing but Honest people running the show?
not ashamed to say so. He links his articles to where they originated from so I know the original source.
He is just one of many places I go and he does get excited which took a little getting used too. I have only started going to his site last year but somehow becoming a Ron Paul supporter lead me to him.
Personally, I would trust his site more than any of the so called main sites for news. You can have Faux news because I don't think they are fair and balanced in any way shape or form. Peace
Thanks for your input.
I can honestly say that I like him too. I listen to him on occasion. I think he has had some very good guests on his show at times. Sometimes he is way over the top thats when he gets turned off.
My concerns... many of the stories on his sites are very loosely based, misleading and use very deceptive practices to sell the story.
I would hope that you are aware of this.
and sometimes takes his theories too far. However, all revolutions need rabble rousers. As our movement grows, we will have our own "mainstream" and loud voices like Alex's will keep us from complacency. It will be our job to keep him somewhat anchored in reality. We all have a role!
Tom Mullen
www.tommullen.net
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Excellent commentary!
This guy actually helped the neo-cons attempts to bring down Ron Paul, because anyone who is associated with him is laughed off by most people. Not everything he says is wrong - just the great majority of it. And most of the "information" he has is just made up - again, not everything, just the great majority.
I already know how you feel about Alex Jones Dude. SO when you post this querry you are basicaly asking, "Are we going to allow this site to go to sh*t?" Personlly, Alex Jones is one of the most couragous invivduals I have ever been exposed to. He not only speaks to power but uses a bullhorn to do so! I know you belive he is a fear mongering sensationalist. One could understand this point of view, I just don't share it. It's too bad that you see this type of input as a negative or counterproductive pressence.
Alas, we are a disparate crowd, we freedom loving, Ron Paulites. I'm affraid you're just going to have to get used to all of the differing opinions you read here, even if you don't approve of some of them.
"Are we going to allow this site to go to sh*t?"
I don't think thats a fair assumption of my thoughts.
****I know you believe he is a fear mongering sensationalist.
Correct
****It's too bad that you see this type of input as a negative or counterproductive presence.
It is a (negative or counterproductive presence.) when the subject and content of posts have no relation or are misleading and or missing all facts as to back up the subject.
*****Alas, we are a disparate crowd
Yes we are :)
*****I'm affraid you're just going to have to get used to all of the differing opinions you read here, even if you don't approve of some of them.
Differing opinions I am certainly used to..
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One of the things that was a concern for me when posting this question was..... and someone had mentioned the free market and thought I wanted to stifle it. Not at all.. Yet when I log onto BTM and over half the content and forum posts are linked to Infowars or Prison planet, I think to myself, well, are certain people trying to control the content here?
It would seem so at times.
Well, it is the internet.
I think it's a matter of encouraging quality content, articulating standards and objecting to sensational nonsense. BTM can be a marketplace of ideas. Like any marketplace, it will function best when it is well informed. It's a matter of activity. Vote down InfoWars content if you don't agree with it, and explain why. But more important, keep posting worthwhile content--that will raise the tone.
One cant help but notice the massive amount of content that is being linked to Alex Jones's Infowars and Prison Planet sites.
Is this what YOU want people of BTM?
The question is is unclear because of it's predicate. Maybe, you could explain what you percieve to be the consequenses of linking content to Alex Jones' sites.
You seem to be one of the better orators/writers that I have come across here at BTM
I'll admit to my punctual/grammatical errors, but the subject and questions were kinda left open for your own interpretation based upon what you have experienced here. So.. Have at it.
I would have thought the people who are submitting these story would have something to say,
apparently not.
I would like to hear your thoughts.
i dont think he is refering to linking from alex's sites to this one. i believe he is saying will BTM become like another alex jones site
i say no. but only time will tell
It's called the free-market at work. Somehow you wish to stifle it?
I understand the free market very much. I never gave any indication I wanted to stifle anything. I simply asked two questions and made a brief comment.
Let me try again.
Will You Let BTM become another InfoWars?
Is this what YOU want people of BTM?
Care to give an answer? THEN make a comment.
No.
Yo
Our time is NOW.
(Hey at least there are no typos in the post)