10) MARIJUANA USE HAS NO EFFECT ON MORTALITY: A massive study of California HMO members funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) found marijuana use caused no significant increase in mortality. Tobacco use was associated with increased risk of death. Sidney, S et al. Marijuana Use and Mortality. American Journal of Public Health. Vol. 87 No. 4, April 1997. p. 585-590. Sept. 2002.
9) HEAVY MARIJUANA USE AS A YOUNG ADULT WON’T RUIN YOUR LIFE: Veterans Affairs scientists looked at whether heavy marijuana use as a young adult caused long-term problems later, studying identical twins in which one twin had been a heavy marijuana user for a year or longer but had stopped at least one month before the study, while the second twin had used marijuana no more than five times ever. Marijuana use had no significant impact on physical or mental health care utilization, health-related quality of life, or current socio-demographic characteristics. Eisen SE et al. Does Marijuana Use Have Residual Adverse Effects on Self-Reported Health Measures, Socio-Demographics or Quality of Life? A Monozygotic Co-Twin Control Study in Men. Addiction. Vol. 97 No. 9. p.1083-1086. Sept. 1997
THE “GATEWAY EFFECT” MAY BE A MIRAGE: Marijuana is often called a “gateway drug” by supporters of prohibition, who point to statistical “associations” indicating that persons who use marijuana are more likely to eventually try hard drugs than those who never use marijuana – implying that marijuana use somehow causes hard drug use. But a model developed by RAND Corp. researcher Andrew Morral demonstrates that these associations can be explained “without requiring a gateway effect.” More likely, this federally funded study suggests, some people simply have an underlying propensity to try drugs, and start with what’s most readily available. Morral AR, McCaffrey D and Paddock S. Reassessing the Marijuana Gateway Effect. Addiction. December 2002. p. 1493-1504.
7) PROHIBITION DOESN’T WORK (PART I): The White House had the National Research Council examine the data being gathered about drug use and the effects of U.S. drug policies. NRC concluded, “the nation possesses little information about the effectiveness of current drug policy, especially of drug law enforcement.” And what data exist show “little apparent relationship between severity of sanctions prescribed for drug use and prevalence or frequency of use.” In other words, there is no proof that prohibition – the cornerstone of U.S. drug policy for a century – reduces drug use. National Research Council. Informing America’s Policy on Illegal Drugs: What We Don’t Know Keeps Hurting Us. National Academy Press, 2001. p. 193.
6) PROHIBITION DOESN’T WORK (PART II): DOES PROHIBITION CAUSE THE “GATEWAY EFFECT”?): U.S. and Dutch researchers, supported in part by NIDA, compared marijuana users in San Francisco, where non-medical use remains illegal, to Amsterdam, where adults may possess and purchase small amounts of marijuana from regulated businesses. Looking at such parameters as frequency and quantity of use and age at onset of use, they found no differences except one: Lifetime use of hard drugs was significantly lower in Amsterdam, with its “tolerant” marijuana policies. For example, lifetime crack cocaine use was 4.5 times higher in San Francisco than Amsterdam. Reinarman, C, Cohen, PDA, and Kaal, HL. The Limited Relevance of Drug Policy: Cannabis in Amsterdam and San Francisco. American Journal of Public Health. Vol. 94, No. 5. May 2004. p. 836-842.
5) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART I): Federal researchers implanted several types of cancer, including leukemia and lung cancers, in mice, then treated them with cannabinoids (unique, active components found in marijuana). THC and other cannabinoids shrank tumors and increased the mice’s lifespans. Munson, AE et al. Antineoplastic Activity of Cannabinoids. Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Sept. 1975. p. 597-602.
4) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER, (PART II): In a 1994 study the government tried to suppress, federal researchers gave mice and rats massive doses of THC, looking for cancers or other signs of toxicity. The rodents given THC lived longer and had fewer cancers, “in a dose-dependent manner” (i.e. the more THC they got, the fewer tumors). NTP Technical Report On The Toxicology And Carcinogenesis Studies Of 1-Trans- Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol, CAS No. 1972-08-3, In F344/N Rats And B6C3F Mice, Gavage Studies. See also, “Medical Marijuana: Unpublished Federal Study Found THC-Treated Rats Lived Longer, Had Less Cancer,” AIDS Treatment News no. 263, Jan. 17, 1997.
3) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART III): Researchers at the Kaiser-Permanente HMO, funded by NIDA, followed 65,000 patients for nearly a decade, comparing cancer rates among non-smokers, tobacco smokers, and marijuana smokers. Tobacco smokers had massively higher rates of lung cancer and other cancers. Marijuana smokers who didn’t also use tobacco had no increase in risk of tobacco-related cancers or of cancer risk overall. In fact their rates of lung and most other cancers were slightly lower than non-smokers, though the difference did not reach statistical significance. Sidney, S. et al. Marijuana Use and Cancer Incidence (California, United States). Cancer Causes and Control. Vol. 8. Sept. 1997, p. 722-728.
2) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART IV): Donald Tashkin, a UCLA researcher whose work is funded by NIDA, did a case-control study comparing 1,200 patients with lung, head and neck cancers to a matched group with no cancer. Even the heaviest marijuana smokers had no increased risk of cancer, and had somewhat lower cancer risk than non-smokers (tobacco smokers had a 20-fold increased lung cancer risk). Tashkin D. Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study. American Thoracic Society International Conference. May 23, 2006.
1) MARIJUANA DOES HAVE MEDICAL VALUE: In response to passage of California’s medical marijuana law, the White House had the Institute of Medicine (IOM) review the data on marijuana’s medical benefits and risks. The IOM concluded, “Nausea, appetite loss, pain and anxiety are all afflictions of wasting, and all can be mitigated by marijuana.” While noting potential risks of smoking, the report added, “we acknowledge that there is no clear alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting.” The government’s refusal to acknowledge this finding caused co-author John A. Benson to tell the New York Times that the government “loves to ignore our report … they would rather it never happened.” Joy, JE, Watson, SJ, and Benson, JA. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy Press. 1999. p. 159. See also, Harris, G. FDA Dismisses Medical Benefit From Marijuana. New York Times. Apr. 21, 2006
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Medical cannabis is certainly a really beneficial medication for a whole lot of people, regardless of what some people think. I know family and friends that have been helped with medical marihauna.
Make it legal nd tax it, then watch how quickly they turn around. I am very worried about this country, we are way down the wrong road, and had best start back tracking fast or we will sink. Right now, money and power are the leaders’ (not my) God. Perhaps it was all pre-destined. I think we have a choice…..
Lets make it legal and NOT tax it. This is natural stuff that should belongs in someones window ledge, a random ditch, or some in a private garden. Lets keep this market as FREE as possible.
Right. No TAX on home-grown. Store bought maybe. What the hell, might as well tax my front lawn. As for the “addiction” myth, I’ve been smoking pot 3x a day for 40 yrs and I’M not hooked.
Old joke, but still good for a chuckle.
I had a GOVERNMENT worker TRY to tell me that my baby was having “tremors” because I smoked weed during my pregnancy. Total BULLSHIT! I smoked weed during all 3 of my pregnancies. I was absolutely persecuted and my entire family violated. Our home, our lives, and our minds were invaded by the government for over a year. I had to have a blood test every week at a hospital, to make sure I wasn’t “using”. I, personally, had/have a previous medical condition. I started smoking pot when I was very young, for recreational use. When I did it occasionally, I noticed how much it helped my anxiety and my other conditions. I’ve been smoking weed for medical use for over 15 years now. Every time that I’ve been pregnant, I’ve had trouble eating and keeping food down. But the government does not care about why you smoke weed. They didn’t care that my child (growing inside of me) could not get any nutrition without it. It’s ALL about control and power. Btw: I have THE most chill children on earth.
Come on were talking about pot here everyone does it, just last night i saw my 75 year old neghbor smokin a dubie!
Spell doobie, and neighobor.
naaay bore.. du b.. EASY!
I have an aunt who had cancer that metastasized to a couple of areas. She started smoking marijuana at my insistence, and it probably saved her life. It gave her back the appetite that the chemo took from her, and allowed her to keep her food down better, despite the chemo’s nauseating effects. I’m 100% certain that if it were not for that, she would have been weakened due to lack of nutrition, and probably would have passed away by now.
It’s been 10 years since she had all the tumors surgically removed and completed her chemo, and she’s still going strong. She still smokes the occasional joint with me, and has become a strong proponent to legalizing marijuana.
We need to open our eyes as a society. Just because something makes you feel good, doesn’t automatically make it bad. Alcohol causes for more problems on a daily basis than marijuana probably does in a year, and I’ve never known a pot smoker to get violent like some people do when they drink. My fellows herbalists are some of the most mellow people you’ll meet, and not a one of them is anything like the stereotypical “burn-out” that popular media and the government likes to portray us as.
Oh Shut Up! You stupid potheads. Stay away from my family!
Do you believe the rest of the propaganda too? The govt. at first didn’t even understand the effects so they exaggerated what little they knew. Like from the 60′s when the lies started and cops were told look look for semen encrusted pants because pot smokers apparently weren’t able to resist jerking off all the time.
Do you believe that pot kills brain cells? Or that it makes us unintelligent?
LOL what’s up Bill, glad you could make it. Say hi to Glen and the other &#@!heads for me.
It is not stupid and I would rather stay away from ignorant people like you anyway! Marijuana and Jesus saved my life from prescribed drugs(Pills) from which modern medicine loves to prescribe and make things worse than it was to start with!!!!!!!
I can not understand a society that would rather control your options for a better life as to what they think is best. Is anyone really that arrogant to think they can choose what is best for me? Please answer?
Bill……. why are you so afraid of marijuana? You call people stupid potheads….. there’s always going to be stupid people who make the rest look bad. Do you even have any idea how many responsible, professional, and successful people smoke pot? Apparently, you do not. What about stupid alcoholics…. It is certainly more dangerous and threatening than pot. What about stupid pill heads? Half the population is addicted to presciption drugs but they still hold down a family, job, etc. just as a large majority of the potheads do. You don’t have to like it, smoke it, or advacate it. Just don’t be so narrow minded and be afraid of it by commenting to “stay away from my family” like it is a contagious plague. I am a liberal democrate but I am not radical. I actually watch your show because I kinda like you. You are the only conservative person on cable news that I can stomach. That my friend is a compliment. Talk to me.
Better yet, why don’t you and your family move to another country and leave the rest of us Good Americans alone!
What is really stupid is that a google search will show you the real Bill O’Reilly who works for Fake News is actually for marijuana legalization.
I’m no pothead, but you are obviously very ignorant
Hey Bill. How literate are you on Marihuana Prohibition? People are dead because of people like you. Do you think that there may someday be a link discovered between Marihuana PRohibition and Racism? Do you think that one day we will just give up? Some day there will be Nazi hunters that go after Marihuana PRohibitionists. That’s my theory of the future.
We defeated people like you back in the late 1800s (American Civil War), and we will defeat people like you again. And when we do, we will take prisoners.
wow man your a total douche. but your probably like 10yrs old so wtf anyway
I don’t know why you bumbling idiots even bother to comment and put your opinion down, it’s blatantly obvious it’s never going to legalized in my lifetime, so I’m just going to keep smoking a bowl in my living room.
Unless you plan on dying soon, I’d have to say you are wrong.
because if its worked in the past, chances are that we will succeed in the future.
One of the things that pulled this country out of the Great Depression was the abolishment of prohibition of alcohol. If marijuana were legalized it could help us out of the current economic situation…Just saying.
Agreed!
i smoke wees once every couple weeks or so and i would love to see it become legalized. the effects and damage done to your body by alcohol far surpass what weed does yet it is still illegal. i also believe it would help our crumbling economy right now if they taxed it. just my two cents
Sure legalize it , put it in the hands of the gov’t tax the shit out of it so only those that make over $150,000 a year can afford to by it.. same as gas i guess…Now it is street regulated and the price has actually come DOWN since the mid 90′s.. Give the gov’t more control over your life .. Good idea ..what are you thinking people
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Street regulated…..that’s a joke……..
Street dealers sell to minors – which is wrong – they don’t check ID….
Your reasoning shows how little effort you actually put into your post…..
Oh almost forgot .. I think $12.50 for a package of Gov’t approved cigarettes is also a little out of line
I think that legalizing marijuana would be a great step, especially in the hard-hit tobacco country. Fields that used to grow tobacco would be great for marijuana, and then also hemp, which can be used for everything from food to clothes and paper. Tax it if it’s sold outside the family, but let people grow it for themselves if they want. We have ABC stores, so why not a store that sells different types of marijuana? (For the record, I’m allergic to smoke, so don’t smoke anything at all.) As for those who are dealing with cancer, or who have a loved one dealing with wasting from cancer, please have the oncologist look into Megestrol,(sp?) aka Megas (meg-us) which is a liquid type of gentle chemo that is/was used for AIDS patients to stimulate their appetite. When my mom was dying of cancer, Megas gave her back her appetite and we could tell by the day when she took it as directed or not. My dad found out abuot it by doing research on the internet, and asked Mom’s oncologist about it. He said it wouldn’t hurt, so they tried it, and it saved her life at the time.
“Fields that used to grow tobacco would be great for marijuana”
Those fields used to be sprayed with radioactive fertilizers and this is still subsidized with taxpayer money. Only non-consumed crops should be grown there. Nothing grown in those fields should be intended for human consumption.
It will legalize if we have anything to say about it.
And we have lots to say
Follow our fight at http://www.letstalkaboutpot.com
Primo
Why can’t we live in peace? If I can live peacefully by myself and not harm anyone (or myself) then why don’t I have the right to do what I want? This was a free country until a few ruined it, and one of them was impeached!!
As a medical marijuana patient I don’t want to see it taxed because it will price disabled poor individuals like myself right out of it. I want the option I have now, to grow my own, or have a grower. Then I will be assured I’ll always have it available. To involve the IRS in any thing is dangerous . Just my opinion.
Bill Reily? wtf? It’s guys like you who help the high feel better with every hit ! Don’t you get it? Your mind is forever stoned with biased convictions that earn you money for being a controversial character! You are on a natural high of being totally off based and thank god there’s medicine to help people like me deal with creeps like you!
Take it in Bill and blow hard!
look up on youtube, Run From The Cure the Rick Simpson story. An awesome documentary how hemp oil cures all cancers.
There’s a lot of good info for everybody to read. I think that we ought to do away with the social stigma when it comes to marijuana use. Then we can use it for financial, environmental,and physical gain.
Hmm, the government/law enforcement makes big money off keeping marijuana illegal. You would think they would abolish alcohol and tobacco if they really cared about your health, or even CHEESEBURGERS as they are already detrimental to ones physical health.
But really, the alternative revenue system is enough to keep it illegal, for now. Like, are we really trusting our government to give us truthful and accurate information! Please! Give me a break! Look at history!
Did you know in high school they tell kids marijuana creates uncanny physical deformalities contrasting with gender?
“females will develope deep voices and body hair”
“males will not develope body hair and will not develope broad shoulders and a feminine voice”
LOLOLOLOL^
I don’t want to develop a feminine voice, let me toke up!
I recall hearing this bull in High School – that boys smoking Cannabis will develop breasts and crap like that….I’m covered in body hair – front and back – and I’ve smoked on and off since I was 14….
I told my kids not to believe the D.A.R.E. crap they teach in school – and actually showed up to ask some questions of the presenter…..which he had problems answering honestly – Since D.A.R.E. has been in force – the Cannabis use by US High School Seniors has increased – which means kids figured out they had been lied to – and ignored all the information they were given….
Cannabis is a fine plant…..many many many uses – smoking/consuming for recreation is only one of them….
And I have broad shoulders, a deep voice, and copious amounts of body hair to show.
Thank you.
The Canadian Medical Journal has just published a Canadian Study by a Quebec University that proves Smoking Weed helps with pain: http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/abstract/cmaj.091414v1?ijkey=8ce2f42c979253001d77a2513c12c41e18ba70a8&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha
Put that in yer pipe and smoke it. eh
It’s already legal. All you need is a recommendation & bada bing!
It never ceases to amaze me at the ignorance of some ppl regarding this matter!
Yo billy boy,
who say, ‘Keep away; don’t come near me, for I am too sacred for you!’ Such people are smoke in my nostrils, a fire that keeps burning all day.-Is65.5
On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.-Rev22.2
God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good….And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.-Gen1.10,30
Legalize another substance that will make people act like idiots? It is practically legal already it just requires you to go get a prescription.
We don’t need any studies to tell us that when people are intoxicated they do dumb shit.
I actually grow medical grade marijuana and I believe legalizing it is only going to cause more problems for patients who grow and supply other patients with their medication. When corporations get their foot in the door it will all go bad from there and the penalties for possessing “street” marijuana will probably be more severe.
@sam….another medical marijuana grower who wants to protect his PROFITS!! GREEDY bastard, ya real compassionate of you to charge your patients 300 Plus an OUnCE! This guy only has his $nterest at MIND. He cares not for all the healthy folks that are enaging in an illegal activity if they want to smoke in the privacy of thier own home. If he lives in CA he would VOTe no on prop 19 the same way all murderous cartels, prison guards and corrupt property seizing law eforcement angencies, the alcohol industry and the oil industry. All these organziations are against legalization because they all PROFIT from cannabis being illegal! THis ass only sees his profit margins decreasing when 19 passes. The more supply the lower the price. It will make our communities safer and create thousands of jobs. Keep our jail from overcrowding and give law enforcement the chance to put priorities where they belong. Sam is so unamerican it makes me sick! HYPOCRITE as long as you got yours right sam?? I know your weak ass response to this woud be..”But what about the patients they need thier medicine and legalization may harm that” YA F!@$king right! With legalization will come better regulation of the industry as a whole, wihcih means more societal acceptance and more resources towards finding all the greatest benefits the plant provides. Ultimately legalzation is the best case scenario for patients….it no longer puts them on the front line fighting this war of prohibition, meaning patients and providers are raided, arrested and prosecuted frequently!!! Leglaiztion will allow more research which will lead to better medicine, cheaper high quality with all the right safety and control protocols in place so patients truly konw eactly what they are getting, CBD percentage and THC percentage. OVerall taxing, regulating and controlling is the best possible solution. If you dont want to pay a tax on weed for recreational use then JUST GROW YOU OWN, FREE!
If being an idiot were illegal I can assure you that you would be in jail. We all would be.
Corporations can’t control something you can grow in your own home, unless you tolerate government interference as we do now. Get the government out of the situation and things will be better.
Here is something to think about. Crack cocaine. Do you know why it was invented? Because cocaine is illegal and therefore very expensive. If cocaine was legal we never would have had a crack epidemic. So many more lives are destroyed because of crack cocaine, because cocaine is illegal.
Great article. There are just too many of these hidden from the public eye. Hemp has so many beneficial uses. Marijuana clearly does also. It must be legalized.
We need to get drugs legalized not only for the medicinal benefits but to defeat the drug cartels and put an immediate stop to the borfder violence that as you may or may not know has spilled over onto our own soil. Thus causing the fed. govt to sue the sherriffs for protecting us, talk about drugs effects causing people to act insanely!!! Our own Fed govt. is a prime example as to what happens to people when they rely on man-made drugs instead of natural herbs, just listen to the anti-legalizers here case and point Bill ORielly who actually believes “Obama has our best interest at heart” as he makes crazy executive order’s like making it a felony to research his background, or giving INTERPOL authority within our borders. And even sees no wrong as he takes over one private industry after another reminiscient of Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro. Yes weve tried life in a world where drugs are illegal and its created a multi-biollion dollar a year business for vicious people to wreak terror on innocent men, women and children. RON PAUL is our only choice IF he run’s again. And besides, a teens nature is to rebell, if drugs are legalized it takes the appeal away for them.
Just curious. What private industries did he take over exactly?
Some are obvious but one you may not have thought of is airport security. Nothing in the constitution gives the government the right to regulate travel in such a way that they violate the 4th amendment, and clearly they do. The TSA should be barred from the airports and states/private industry should do the job.
um, Obama didn’t found the TSA bud
um, but he is the one who is in control of it now and he is the one who is using the TSA to kill the free market solutions that would handle this. Bud.
I mean are you kidding me? So because Obama didn’t found the military does that mean we’re not at war? What does founding something have to do with anything? It’s what you do with it that counts. The TSA doesn’t have to be conducting airport security.
Thanks to America and it’s money hungry anti drug BS, nothing short of a total apology that they didn’t know what they were talking about will ever reverse the damage caused in the form of the ignorant stance non-pot smokers take against those that do smoke the herb.
Till the day I die, I must hide my use in fear of backlash from family and friends , because their perception is heavily influenced by the force fed anti-drug campains(at tax payers expense). These are alcoholics and tabacco smokers, but logic doesn’t apply when media and government run campains are in charge of telling them what is right or wrong.
While America may or may not learn to embrace less harmful and more benificial drugs over the current norm, the damage to other countries, like Australia in which I live, may never recover, or admit that they not only made a mistake, but blindly followed regulations and rules from the ignorant, cowardly and greedy.
So thanks America and the flock of blind sheep(talking to you billy boy) for contributing to this generations prejudice, like there isn’t already enough!
I’d love to repost this post of yours Sam. Please.
Sam, your words are beautiful to me.
We all know marijuana is not bad
it helps!!
I excerpted and linked this article to my blog line at http://www.bikerornot.com/users/blog/blog.asp&blogID=53238&userID=24353.
I have tried to read the references and so far have failed. What am I doing wrong?
For example, the reference to the APHA article in item # 1 has dead-ended.
Second concern, how do I trace funding to these studies?
These questions result from the following comment:
“Sorry to pot smokers, but this is a fake….It takes no more than a simple moment of deductive reasoning to realize that…..According to the Governmental classification of intoxicants, marijuana is a section one intoxicant. It is against federal regulations for taxpayer money to be spent on studies of illegal, section one intoxicants……..With legalization of canibus on the ballots in CA, right now, there is a plethora of these fake posts circulating, but they are not credible”
Anybody having suggestions on how I can rationally refute this comment can alert me at docellis124@yahoo.com.
Thank you.
Doc Ellis 124
I’m a smoker and have enjoyed it for years. It doesn’t make me do dumb shit like that douche bag said a few posts back. I don’t drink alcohol and refuse to every time i’m offered a drink. Marijuana actually helps me focus in college and i have yet to make less than a 90% on any test score. I know I will continue to smoke pot, weed, herb, chronic, etc., whatever you want to call it, whether it’s illegal or not. Oh yeah, Billy can go F#$%@ himself!
My favorite part is how Wordpress made #8 a smiley because “eight parenthesis” is the same as the emoticon
Some wrong information given above. An addict will go to any length to justify his/her use of the product he/she is addicted to. Marijuana is harmful to the body.
Link: http://www.toefur-straightedge.com/articles/tvsm.html
Right because a straight-edge forum is a reliable source
Raindog – you are woefully mis-informed about Cannabis – and your link is dead……
You really are a lemming. Look at the sources for these studies and check if they are legitimate before you denounce them.
You really are a lemming. Look at the sources for these studies and check if they are legitimate before you denounce them.
it is a plant, a gift from GOD and we are being persecuted because of our desire to use this holy plant.
HEMP CAN BE GROWN IN INDOOR HYDRO FACILITIES AND IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST FIBERS KNOWN TO MAN. IT CAN REPLACE MOST EVERYTHING WE DO WHEN RELATED TO THE SLAUGHTER OF ANIMALS, FORESTS, FOR FUEL AND FOOD!!
GROWN HYDROPONICALLY WITH NO PESTICIDES NEEDED AND NO WORRIES OF DROUGHTS NOR INSECTS THAT DESTROY CROPS.
IT IS A GIFT FOR GOD AND CAN BE USED AS SUCH TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING WE NEED WITHOUT RAVAGING THE PLANET EARTH NOR ITS ANIMAL POPULATION.
What is the Word of God on the Cannabis plant?
The hemp plant (scientific name: cannabis, slang: marijuana) is one of the many useful herbs “yielding seed after its kind” created and blessed by God on the third day of creation, “and God saw that it was good.” (Genesis 1:12) He gave hemp for people to use with our free will.
God said, “Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat.” … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31) The Bible predicts some herb’s prohibition. “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy … commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (Paul: 1 Timothy 4:1-3)
The Bible speaks of a special plant. “I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.” (Ezekiel 34:29)
A healing plant. On either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare 12 manner of fruits, and yielding her fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (Revelations 22:1-2) A gift from God.
How was cannabis used in Biblical times and lands?
Cannabis was used 12 ways: clothing, paper, cord, sails, fishnet, oil, sealant, incense, food, and in ceremony, relaxation and medicine. For so the Lord said unto me, “I will take my rest and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs. For afore harvest, when the bud is perfect and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks and take away and cut down the branches.” (Isaiah 18:4-5)
The Plant = A Gift From GOD
I’m not a smoker but have always felt criminalization is a serious waste of our reasources and someone shouldnt be saddeled with a criminal record for possesing something that has so many positive effects. Personally though, as a young adult, I’ve made some awful dicisions whilest driving under the influence of marijuana, even several hours later, so I don’t know what leagal reprecusions should be applied for anyone caught doing so, I do know that if marijuana were universally decriminalized that there would be more marijuana-related traffic accidents, I don’t think it’s so much of a big deal in Portugal or Amsterdam, but maybe the government thinks Americans are too fucking stupid not to drive high. And you know what, I would agree with that.
Americans are too fucking stupid to drive sober! I have to smoke everyday to just tolerate being around other Americans all the time.
I smoked weed for a year straight, and I failed all my test. Then I stopped, and now I’m fit, healthy, have the ODD Jay and I’m studying neuropharmacology in Ireland. Don’t be a stoner, it will mess up your life. Just find the balance between work and play. And remember it affects people differently, tolerance wise etc.
Like every other drug, pot affects everyone differently. I know people who can smoke all day, work, go to school, take care of their kids, and are completely responsible individuals in every way. You wouldn’t even know they were stoners. Myself, I can’t function well when stoned, so I just smoke at the end of the day to wind down and get some relief from my nerve pain.
I know people who quit drinking and started using pot instead because it gave them the desired effect without bringing out the violence and aggressiveness that alcohol did.
Bottom line is that Marijuana is not as harmful as either alcohol or tobacco, mentally, physically or to our society. Legalize Hemp and Marijuana http://bit.ly/6wKAgL
you just couldnt handle ur wed!!!!!!!!!
i meant to say u just cant handle smoking weed!!!!!! THATS Y U FAILED UR TESTS!!!!!!!!!!
Iv been smoking bud for over 2 years and i havnt failed any of my exams, its how yuu make use of your time, im thinkin youv just spent most your time chilling rather than making an effort at one point in the period of your exams
Hey raindog, there have been studied that show that marijuana is one of the least addictive substances known to man, caffeine is more addicting, do some research before you post stupid shit
To me it seems it’s just another indication that satanists run the world or at least our country. Why would a safer alternative to alcohol, tobacco, and prescription meds be kept illegal when study after study show it is actually a helpful plant? It’s a direct assault or insult toward the Creator. Of course the government and law enforcement know more then scientists, doctors and God, that’s why the world is in such a good state of affairs. It can’t kill you? Well it must be bad. Might cure cancer? Well it must be bad. I wish they (politicians, DEA, etc) would just come out and say it, “We hate God, and since God made a plant that could actually help ease some human distress, illness, and pain, we must keep it illegal, so we can get our cut from the big pharma companies and spit in the face of the Creator”. As a follower of the ONE, I will resist their attempts to force me on their dangerous and addictive drug programs, and remain an avid user of a safer God made, natural plant. Down with the Illuminati
The law Enforcement/Prison industrial complex is behind this idiocy — only not so stupid for them since they benefit. There are a lot of careers that depend in this drug being illegal (legal and illegal careers). Just follow the money.
I don’t smoke it, but I am sick and tired of valuable resources being used to keep our prisons filled up.
How Come it Doesn’t Say What happens When You Eat it. And Al the Different Ways the One Medicine can be Taken To Improve Value. and Medicinal Power.
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Gods does not exist. but Marijuana may be a considered a heavenly gift to the earthlings. It is far better than any alcohol, no headaches after use and no other side effects.
My bad : “God does not exist.”
i like how you caught that typo lol
In all fairness… you have as much proof that God does not exist as someone who says he/she does exist. Definitive statements like that are nonsense.
piss off .. if there is a god which there is definately NOT, explain to me why he would allow 30,000 children to die from poverty EVERY day .. and yet allow the evil, nasty, greedy and narcissistic to flourish .. and if you come back with ‘god moves in mysterious ways’ … I win!!
You actually think that is a proof that God doesn’t exist? What about free will? What if God decided to leave the world to man, offer guidance but allow free will to rule… and so what if it’s YOUR fault that 30,000 people die everyday and not Gods? I’m not arguing for or against existence. I’m saying you have no clue what the truth is. That’s all.
I’m so proud you mentioned free will. Its my favorite part of believing. Completely voluntary!! It amazes me how almost every atheist that i have met is more Christ-like than Christians that I have known all my life. It hurts my heart. I personally believe that ‘religion’ has ruined the teachings of Christ. We are all granted free will yet the first thing you get slapped in the face with inside most churches is a bunch of rules. Its a tad contradicting…
If anything, the fact that we possess free will would support the supposition that there is no god. I have a question. If god is omniscient, omnipotent and infallible, why did he go from being a vengeful god in the old testament to a forgiving peaceful god in the new testament. Man is the same greedy, violent, caring and beneficent mixed bag that he has always been so don’t try and say it was in his plan for man’s social evolution. Did your god make a mistake and change his methods? Or… is it just that those who created religion saw their power over the people waning and decided to try another approach? And, by the way, god supposedly did leave the world to men and his guidance was the 10 commandments. Or so your bible says, so which is it? Get your story, and that’s what it is, a story, straight.
What have you done to help save the 30,000 children that die everyday?? truth be known, I’m sure you would rather spend your $ on pot and party and bitch about God, then lift a finger to help anyone but yourself. If God did destroy everything that was an evil force against the weak, and helpless, and those who cannot fend themselves in this angry world, you would no longer be here. When you do die, you will get to meet that God that doesn’t exist, and your first words will be, ” hey it’s not my fault”. climb back into your trailer!
I truly believe that God exists and I smoke pot everyday. I’m a single mother and I dont party and I dont live in a trailer but if I did God would love me just as much as he loves everybody else including non-believers and slightly pompous name callers. If you believe in Christ then surely you believe we should be Christ like as best we can be and calling nonbelievers names and looking down a self righteous nose at others doesn’t send the best message in my opinion. If you believe that you are saved then you know that you were saved by grace. should we not extend that grace? ‘Forgive them father, they know not what they do.’
As far as helping the children starving and suffering all over the world, I would love to feed them all I would love to put band aids on all their wounds and see smiling faces and full bellies, but I have my hands full putting food in the mouths of my own children. I’m curious, what are we suppose to do for the suffering all over the world? What about the suffering of those held in prisons and labeled felons for smoking something that comes straight out of the earth? What can we do about that? if were going to talk charity lets start at home. we could begin by protesting the war on drugs. i cant help a child half way around the world but I i can help one here by keeping it’s mother or father out of prison for for smoking a stinkin plant.
So you’re one of those pissed off, bitter christians huh? What about unconditional love and all that? Oh wait that’s right you just pretend to follow the bible like everyone else. Way to follow everyone else and live in fear. (No I’m not going to elaborate and explain to you why you are living in fear, as it would fall on deaf ears)
if you want an answer then read the bible.
That’s circular logic. The bible can’t prove it’s own correctness. Why would anybody trust a book that’s been changed a million times? The biggest change: Incorrectly translating “young woman” to “virgin”. Look it up.
Didn’t you mean to say “if you want hypocrisy and contradictions read the bible”?
So you’re saying its okay for kids in Africa to starve each day because some asshole up in the sky says so in a stupid fictional book?
What are you doing about it then?
How about this…there is no proof that god exists. While I can’t see touch feel or taste individual atoms, I know they exist because empirical evidence proves their existence. What proof do you have that god exists?
There are many scientific theories for which there is no absolute proof. In fact many things people think are proven today are only dis-proven later. So I would argue you don’t really have proof atoms exist – in the sense that you know all things about them – just as you have no proof god exists in the sense that you know all things about God. But if I use the clock and the clockmaker argument I can at least say I know “some” things about god, just like we claim to know “some” things about atoms, subatomic physics, etc.
After all didn’t we have theories about atoms and their behavior but later came up with Quantum physics to better explain them and essentially undo the theories of the past? What we will undo about the beliefs we hold today with the discoveries of the future? Has anyone fully explained how light can be both a particle and wave depending on how we measure it? If not it means none of the theories we have about light today are fully proven, yet we still know light exists.
I’m a little rusty on my physics so I could be wrong on a technical point but I would still say for the new theory the same idea I am presenting still applies. After all, who really has proof of anything? Quantum physics tells us the way in which we measure seems to effect reality as much as the thing being measured.
Do you know the definition of a scientific theory? Ignorant religious fanatics like you piss me off so much. Do your research before arguing against science.
Atoms have been observed, anything not currently being observed can have its existence questioned as perception is reality. Considering no one has EVER observed God in any fashion, He does not exist. L2RESEARCH
Again, not so fast. What about the clock and the clockmaker argument? Who is to say the existence of atoms does not prove the existence of God? who created atoms? the universe? space? time? The argument goes that because these things exist some thing or force must have created them. Does it make sense that they just sprung out of thin air? Perhaps observing these things is an observance of God. Certainly we currently have no better explanation for how everything came into being in the first place other than by accepting the possibility of a “God”- whatever he/she or that may be.
Bullshit. You, and anyone else who claims that god exists, has to PROVE that. You made it up, now prove he exists. Your only argument can’t be “prove he DOESN’T exist”. There is no evidence supporting your tale that there is a magical man living up the in sky so therefore us atheists have nothing to prove to you. Show me some evidence.
God is an explanation, one theory, for creation. That’s all. I don’t argue for any particular version of God. I don’t say the bible, or Koran or anything like that is correct or incorrect and I’ve said that several times on this page. You’re letting your personal anger get in the way of your thinking and flying off the handle. You’re picking your fight with the wrong guy. My only argument is that none of us have the answers. You have no proof and neither do I about how this whole thing got started. No scientific theory or fact explains it. Not the big bang theory, nothing. So calm down and accept reality. You don’t have the answers, no one does. We have theories and people choose to believe what works for them. My personal guess is that some kind of God or creator exists but I don’t know how or why or what its purpose is. I keep my mind open to all theories, including religious ones and do my best.
But one thing you won’t see from me is a claim that I know what is going on. You are doing that and I’m sorry but I think anyone who claims they know it all is taking a position of near insanity. Get off your high horse, you’re as clueless as the rest of us.
It’s a little sad that you’re not willing to stand up for your beliefs actually. You say your argument is that no one knows, but I don’t see you arguing with those who claim god exists. And you’re right, I am angry, not because of you, but because of religion and what it does to society. The belief of a non-existent god is what people use to justify flying planes into buildings, to strap bombs to themselves, or to sexually abuse small boys. Hitler killed millions of people for one reason. Religion. Now maybe you should be asking yourself why you’re not angry. I believe in a world of morality because it is the RIGHT thing to do, not the required thing to do. God does not exist. No one could be that cruel or heartless. One apology though, by “religious fanatic” I meant “god fanatic” I do realize that not everyone who believes in god is religious.
He does.
Legalize this shit already so that the potheads stop complaining about it. I’m sick and tired of hearing about this topic, it’s always the same arguments.
It’s funny, the same arguments always pop up for a reason: They’re correct! But prohibitionists think the opposite for some reason.
Ok… The other ones I’m willing to consider.. But I don’t see how smoking anything can not cause lung cancer. Let alone prevent it…
Research. Seek (the answers) and You Shall Find. http://www.cannabisscience.com/news-a-media/press-releases/223-cbis-reprots-national-cancer-institute-updates.html
That’s because it’s been ingrained in our heads for so long that “smoking causes cancer”. But the reality is smoking carcinogenic material causes cancer. There is no doubt that anything you inhale has some effect on you, but it does not have to mean you get cancer from absolutely anything you inhale.
If marijuana has chemicals in it that may prevent cancer and not all smoking causes cancer then… why not?
Better than any PILL or alcohol!!!!
http://www.cannabisscience.com/news-a-media/press-releases/222-cbis-and-the-unconventional-foundation-for-autism.html
17,000 children starve to death every single day. Ending prohibition will ease this burden.
wow ! ! !
by the way i a”m rhenz ledesma from pilipins can i have
even the local police agree that they get no trouble from marijuna users compered to alchohol drinkers,
killing brain cells is not a side effect?
You’re right. Drinking alcohol is really bad for you.
If it was not a medicine I would not have worked hard for free for 36 years telling the world that it is!
[the Holy Hemptress]
well done article! All government funded studies, yet not only is it illegal, it is labeled as a schedule one drug, along with heroine, pcp, dmt, meth, etc! Cocaine is not even schedule 1! That is just illogical, irrational, and a major discrepancy that must be addressed.
The Smell of Hypocrisy Disgusts Me….
Don’t forget to mention the US govt. owned PATENT 6635057 on Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6630507.PN.&OS=PN%2F6630507&RS=PN%2F6630507
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZebrMFOeDA
if you watch the whole thing it answers the question of what god really is.
Cocaine addiction and dependency affect all strata of our society. Cocaine is a powerful stimulant that produces feelings of strength, alertness and sociability. That, plus ready availability at a price many people believe they can afford, has made cocaine use an almost socially acceptable habits.
Cocaine addiction and dependency affect all strata of our society. Cocaine is a powerful stimulant that produces feelings of strength, alertness and sociability. That, plus ready availability at a price many people believe they can afford, has made cocaine use an almost socially acceptable habits.
Make that eleven!
UK: Cannabis May Make You A Safer Driver
by Jonathon Carr-Brown, (13 Aug 2000)
Times United Kingdom
TAKING the high road may not be so dangerous after all. Ministers are set to be embarrassed by government-funded research which shows that driving under the influence of drugs makes motorists more cautious and has a limited impact on their risk of crashing.
In the study, conducted by the Transport Research Laboratory, grade A cannabis specially imported from America was given to 15 regular users. The doped-up drivers were then put through four weeks of tests on driving simulators to gauge reaction times and awareness.
Regular smokers were used because previous tests in America using first-timers resulted in the volunteers falling over and feeling ill. The laboratory found its guinea pigs through what it described as a “snowballing technique” – one known user was asked to find another after being promised anonymity and exemption from prosecution agreed with the Home Office.
Instead of proving that drug-taking while driving increased the risk of accidents, researchers found that the mellowing effects of cannabis made drivers more cautious and so less likely to drive dangerously.
Although the cannabis affected reaction time in regular users, its effects appear to be substantially less dangerous than fatigue or drinking. Research by the Australian Drugs Foundation found that cannabis was the only drug tested that decreased the relative risk of having an accident.
The findings will embarrass ministers at the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions ( DETR ) who commissioned the study after pressure from motoring organisations and anti-drug campaigners. Lord Whitty, the transport minister, will receive the report later this month.
Last week police revealed details of new drug-driving tests to be administered by the roadside, which were received with some amusement. They require suspected drug-drivers to stand on one leg, lean back and touch their nose with their eyes closed, and to count to 30 silently with their eyes shut. This is apparently difficult for those on a drug trip.
The advertising company McCann-Erickson has already prepared a television campaign using Pulp’s song Sorted for Es and Whizz, the slogan “Never drive on drugs” and the pay-off line “then you come down”.
However, if the findings are less than frightening on the effects of marijuana, they may convince ministers to put more money into raising driver awareness of fatigue. Tiredness is now blamed for causing 10% of all fatal accidents, compared with 6% for alcohol and 3% for drugs.
A low-key radio campaign will be launched tomorrow warning drivers to take breaks.
The report’s surprising conclusions will not sway organisations such as the RAC, which believes there is incontrovertible evidence that drug-driving is a growing menace. DETR statistics published in January showed a six-fold increase in the number of people found to be driving with drugs in their system after fatal road accidents. The figure jumped from 3% in 1989 to 18%.
Dr Rob Tunbridge, the report’s author, refused to reveal his findings before they were published but said: “If you were to ask me to rank them in order of priority, fatigue is the worst killer, followed by alcohol, and drugs follow way behind in third.”
Tunbridge admitted that the effect of drugs differed with the individual, the amount taken, the environment they were taken in and the point at which you tested reactions.
Cocaine users are known to be alert drivers when they first take the drug, but then they have a tendency to fall asleep at the wheel. The particular problem with cannabis is that it stays in a person’s system for up to 30 hours but its effects wear off within a few hours.
…that’s right, keep running from the cure…
I like how the government can break its own laws all the time with no consequences. How much proof does the federal government need before it reschedules marijuana like the law says it should be? America needs to wake up and realize the government is lying to them.
THE GOVERMENT IS SAYING THE TRUTH YOU JUST ONE OF THOSE IDIOTS WHO ARE INDENIAL
It’s all about the hustle. The government hustle.
In this thread: Could marijuana be an agent in dogma debate?
All you jesus freaks need to chill. Its legitimatly annoying.
If you don’t want to be searched then don’t fly.
You don’t have a right to fly.
You absolutely have a right to use any business providing a service so long as they are willing to provide it to you. That means you have a right to fly.
I’m pretty sure that the ‘right to fly’ isn’t on a par with free speech or clean water, I think you’re just overdramatizing things there.
And the point stands. If you don’t want to be searched, /don’t fly./ There are other methods of transportation.
No, the point doesn’t stand. Yes we need security and I agree we need some form of searching. The question is who does the searching? The government or the private sector? The private sector owns the planes and has the most to lose if the plane should crash. The government is strictly prohibited by the constitution to search us unless they have a warrant to do so. This is to keep police from barging into our homes at night to conduct a random search. If we surrender this right at the airports we will soon surrender them everywhere. They already want to move these cancer machines to bus terminals, train stations, and on and on. Soon there will be search points everywhere we go and next they’ll just start walking up to you on the street and searching you. Then after that, into your homes, your cars, everything, anytime they want to.
And as far as your rights go, instead of thinking in terms of what my rights and your what rights are, you’ll get a fuller picture of the situation if you look at it from the point of view of what the governments right are.
One thing is certain, nowhere does it say the government may violate our civil liberties in order to regulate interstate commerce. The government does not have the right to walk up to you and search you. That’s one of the key principles of our freedom, of what makes us a free country. Don’t just throw that away.
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Benjamin Franklin
I’m not a religious person by any means, but believe that everyone should believe in what makes them happy. If believing in a God makes you feel like full person then feel free to, if you don’t believe in a God and that keeps you happy then keep not believing, if you question it, like I do, and would just need proof of the matter (though yes I know there’s no way of prooving there is a God just the same as there’s no way of prooving there is no God) and that makes you happy (like me as I am a very happy person) then so be it. Everyone just needs to stop pushing their beliefs on others and I thank you for being one of those intelligent individuals.
Partly for this reason I really liked your post and fully agree. Why is our country spending so much of the money that it needs to employ its people, feed its people, keep goods and advances in sciences and, well, everything going as smoothly as possible on something as stupid as keeping good hearted Americans that enjoy smoking a plant that has naturally grown from the Earth since whenever it first popped up thousands or millions of years ago? (I honestly don’t know when the first one came to existence and neither do you). It’s idiotic and completely counterproductive to our society. Thousands and thousands of people smoke weed and are still valuable members of society. I say if we’re gonna have a “war on drugs” (whatever the fuck that means) then lets have it be against drugs like heroin, meth and crack, you know, the things that cause nothing but destruction in a person’s life and everyone’s that surround that person. The good marijuana smoking people of the U.S. deserve to be able to smoke their plants freely and keep their jobs, support their families, contribute to our ever changing economy, etc. without the fear of being imprisoned for doing something far less dangerous and destructive than our own synthetic medicines, alcohol and especially tobacco which all remain legal.
Umm…….an Atheist…cannot be Christ-like….Christ professed to be the son of the only Living God…
Atheists – do not acknowledge and often dispute the existence of a Supreme being……
Therefore – that’s a HUGE gap to bridge…..
Not saying that Atheists cannot be good people and caring – they might even learn something from Christ’s teachings. But they miss the most important part….Faith.
That being said – many people who call themselves Christians – still fail to follow Christs example.
Christians are no better than Atheists – in general – only they’re individual actions make them different.
Everyone has Free will – but there are rules you’re supposed to follow – such as not killing others, not stealing , not lying…..Atheists are held to these expectations as well……whether they like it or not.
“Religion” has not ruined the teachings of Christ – the teaching is available for all who wish to read it. How they use/understand it – is a different story all together.
Let me put it this way – You have free will to either believe or not believe in the laws of nature…..however jumping off a cliff – without proper equipment – you are gonna fall whether you believe in the law of gravity or not…..your belief in that case doesn’t matter – what is….is…….
While i agree with your opinion about how detrimental religion is, I hope you realize that nowhere in the bible does it so much as mention freewill, let alone say God gave it to us. So if you really wanted to follow the bible to the letter, then there would be no contradiction. I personally think all this god shit is just another way for people to be divided, and no one should care about others personal beliefs. BUT, that doesn’t mean advocating, or even respecting other people’s religions. Belief in a higher power or being is a choice we all have to make for ourselves, religion on the other hand is an institution of control that exists only to exploit the ignorant masses (albeit with some very good misdirection and showmanship).
It absolutely mentions free will. The entire concept of the bible is that you have to CHOOSE to accept Jesus as your savior. That is free will, and according to the bible you are also free to choose every other path away from God that you want, that is why it outlines what the sins are. You’re entire life is up to you and that means you have free will.
You misunderstand me, I don’t argue for the existence of God, at least not God as described by any religion, but I also know I don’t have proof God does not exist or that any religion is wrong – regardless of how inconsistent it may seem (key word being seem). Is God omniscient, omnipotent and infallible? I certainly don’t know. Perhaps God is simply the sum of all things, or a burst of energy, or a thought inside a thought inside a thought. I have no idea, and neither does anyone else. That’s all I’m saying.
I’m Agnostic! : D
Yes actually we do have a better explanation. It’s called the Big Bang theory, I’m not sure if you’ve ever heard of it… Read up on it before you make ridiculous arguments like these. All matter exists because of a gigantic explosion of an extremely condensed ball of matter, that contained everything around us today. We have evidence of these in neutron stars, matter so condensed that a teaspoon ways something ridiculous like a million tonnes.
You said it all KateP- you have a THEORY. Not proof. So all matter was condensed blah blah blah. How did that matter get there in the first place? Sorry, you’re not explaining the creation, you’re explaining a phase of it. I like how in another comment you say we need proof and then you say you have a theory. You sound angry btw. Lighten up please. You don’t have all the answers and it seems that upsets you.
I’m not a religious fanatic. I’m not even religious. You’re really sounding like an angry person KateP. You need to work on that.
As I said before, do you know the definition of a scientific theory? A scientific theory is a type of inductive theory, in that its content (i.e. empirical data) could be expressed within some formal system of logic whose elementary rules (i.e. scientific laws) are taken as axioms. In a deductive theory, any sentence which is a logical consequence of one or more of the axioms is also a sentence of that theory.[2]
In the humanities, one finds theories whose subject matter does not (only) concern empirical data, but rather ideas. Such theories are in the realm of philosophical theories as contrasted with scientific theories. A philosophical theory is not necessarily scientifically testable through experiment.
A scientific theory is a theory that has been hit with all reasonable doubt, and come through the testing unable to be disproved.
I enjoy how instead of acknowledging the fact that you did not do your research before posting, you question my anger management. Fantastic argument, especially since is has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
Wow- you’re just oh so smart. Yeah, and scientific theory after theory that were believed as fact have been disproven again and again. What’s you’re point. You’re still not addressing creation of all things with the big bang theory. You’re only addressing the creation of the universe. How it came to be. You still don’t explain how the matter that was once condensed came to be. So what are you talking about?
Well I say I don’t know if God exists and to those that believe he does that is indeed an argument against their beliefs. The truth is while religion is often used to justify war and violence it is not the cause. I’ve learned this recently. The cause of war is centralized banking or a strong national bank. Learn about the Federal reserve and how without it we could not fund wars. When you understand about the money you’ll see religion is very secondary for the problems we have in the world. Take away the funding and the wars will go away. I actively campaign against a central bank and educate people to this- so don’t assume I do nothing or don’t care. I do very deeply. I’ve also had some pretty good results.
And after giving your statement more thought, that I should argue against others who would claim God exists, I see how very illogical it is. Why? Well the only people who are coming here and claiming to know it all (at least against my comments) are people like you! I haven’t had anyone who believes without a doubt that God exists post on my comments the way you have. If someone gets as angry and thinks they know it all in a comment and tells me they know for a fact that God exists I’ll tell them they don’t. But for now, only people like YOU are making such know it all statements. Go figure.
Let me give you a little history lesson, Hitler didn’t kill for religion. He killed because he believed the Aryan race was superior to all others. You’re getting race and religion confused, when they are two very different things.
really Kate- I don’t even know what to say to you here. Glad to see your calming down in your other posts.
Maybe you’re just ignorant to the laws of physics – which are PROOFS of THEORIES!
energy cannot be created nor destroyed, but transferred from one form to another!.
Nullifies your zionist rhetoric shite!
Zionist Rhetoric? Yeah, please show me where that is going on.
Matter cannot be created or destroyed? Sure, except who or what created the matter and energy in the first place? How did what we see today come into existence? Science cannot answer that question. The fact is science does not yet and may never be able to answer all things.
pure creationist propaganda…. “oh we dont understand what you mean, our explanation makes more sense”… what came first the chicken or the egg!! i suppose neither – God did!
rationality injection for you!
Calling something a name like “propaganda” is not an logical response or a rational reply but rather a sign of frustration due to the fact you don’t have a logical response.
The point behind ‘Theory’ and ‘Law’ is that Albert Einstein has the ‘theory of relativity’ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity – So we have a ‘Theory of Evolution’, except when a Scientist says Theory of Evolution, he’s says it the same way Einstein had the ‘Theory of Relativity’ which is correct 99 Percent of the time, just like the Theory of Evolution – Now if it was a ‘Hypothesis’ it would be different, as that is the stages in which things go for Scientists, the question, the Hypothesis, the Theory, the Law. ‘God’ is merely an infinite question, since he can not be seen, heard, or measured, it’s a purely faith based idealism that, in my opinion, only exists so Humans can explain to themselves why they are not 2 things, 1 being happy all the time, and 2, what happens after they die
Thanks for the rational discussion Sean. I look at science and it’s explanations as if a group of humans came across a chess board and were (through scientific deduction) describing what the different pieces could do and what the rules of the game were. That’s all well and fine but at the end of the day the question of “who created the game in the first place” still remains. That is the deeper question (at least for me) that “God” could be an attempt to answer and one I’m not sure science ever could answer. So I think it’s a bit more involved than the two questions you put out there, although those could have been the initial motivators and certainly are among the list of questions we can come up with as to why we are motivated to conceive of a God. If the chessboard is indeed created by God then we can observe him/her/it by observing the chessboard – God’s creation.
Thanks for the rational discussion Sean. I look at science and it’s explanations as if a group of humans came across a chess board and were (through scientific deduction) describing what the different pieces could do and what the rules of the game were. That’s all well and fine but at the end of the day the question of “who created the game in the first place” still remains. That is the deeper question (at least for me) that “God” could be an attempt to answer and one I’m not sure science ever could answer. So I think it’s a bit more involved than the two questions you put out there, although those could have been the initial motivators and certainly are among the list of questions we can come up with as to why we are motivated to conceive of a God. If the chessboard is indeed created by God then we can observe him/her/it by observing the chessboard – God’s creation.
I would also point to your own concession that the theories are not correct 1% of the time (or whatever percent it may in fact be). That may sound like a small amount and it can lead you to believe the theory is almost complete but in fact it can mean the truth would turn the theory on it’s head as it has done many times throughout history.
Actually we know why are here, and we know where the chessboard came from and what processes made it what it is today. I admit, there is much science doesn’t know (yet) about the physics of the Big Bang, but we know how Earth was formed, and how animals grew and evolved upon it. The earth was created by the collision of large masses in space (this is proven by the asteroids that have been found that contain the exact chemical make up of the earth). The large mass of earth finally got large enough to have a gravitational force, thus pulling other asteroids and small planets towards it. After billions of years in which the earth was just a molten ball of melted elements, it started to cool, (from the outside in, explaining the molten core the earth contains). Asteroids continued to crash into the earth, a lot of them contained water (H20), and some of them contained amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. As this happened more and more, complex proteins were formed, eventually forming very basic and primitive cyanobacteria, which fluorish in water. Cyanobacteria are autotrophic, meaning they take in sunlight and carbon dioxide, and release oxygen gas (O2) as a bi-product when they create sugars they use for energy. This is how we got an atmosphere full of oxygen. The oxygenated atmosphere caused primarily anaerobic bacteria to develop oxygen harnessing capabilities, in turn creating the mitochondria necessary for eukaryotic cells. Thus stemmed a whole new group or clade of animals, the protists. Flagellated protists are the ancestors of all animals and fungi.
To both Kate and Trevor, simply watch the recent PBS ‘Nova’ show entitled ‘Where Did We Come From?’ – It’s available, right now, on Netflix instant queue, so you can stream it over the Xbox, PS3, Wii, or Computer. They were able to put together the initial building blocks of life in a closed lab mimicking what we imagine early Earth was like in terms of atmospheric conditions and etc etc etc. Just watch the damn movie, and see where they literally recreate the evolution that began millions and billions of years ago. No, they are not all the way there, but it stands as further proof that the only reason it’s a ‘Theory of Evolution’ and not a Scientific Law, is because we just haven’t figured it all out yet. It’s only a matter of time.
In regards to the point about ‘a chessboard’. Or the need for an explanation of ‘But even if we started from a single central mass that is ever expanding’ blah blah blah. I got it. Here we are. We are here. But where did the ‘here’ come from. How did our planet come into being. What were the pieces that made the planet come into being. Blah blah blah blah blah. I got it. No one will ever explain ‘the beginning of time’. But it’s ludicrous to put any stock or faith into a polytheistic or monotheistic ideology with the hopes of labeling all of life’s big questions.
And any New Age Christian who feels that ‘God put everything in motion and we are simply getting closer to understanding’ or whatever other nonsense is raised that makes a person think for even a moment that they have Religion and Creation and the Universe pegged. I mean really, come off it.
I don’t need to know where the dust and clouds and random elements that were here before Earth was here in order to be happy. And not a single religion in existence has the knowledge to know anything about life. If anything, the scientologists have a better stake on the history of the universe than anyone else, but they are nuts as well.
Point blank, ‘where we came from’ in terms of ‘but how did it all come into being’ does not prove or disprove a god, but to take the new and learned understanding human beings have over their environment and of the universe, and still want to apply old tribal ideology (since every religion started when people still built their homes out of fire ash and feces), is also ridiculous.
Blah. We are here. There is no god. When I die, I’m simply going to fall asleep and never wake up again. Honestly, I try not to think about it, it’s fucking scary. And not only is it scary, but that fear only reinforces my disbelief of a lord and god. I can not accept the fear as a reasoning to believe.
Better safe than sorry shouldn’t be good enough for the god everyone claims to praise.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/where-did-we-come-from.html
If you click on the picture it will load the video right from their website.
Just click on the space rocks and feel smarter at the end.
Very well said.
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